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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: May 31st, 2003 06:14 am (UTC) |
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How can you worship something you don't believe in?
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I am a Satanist. But I have realized very quickly that most Satanist don't even believe that his Infernal Majesty is real. This angers me! What is the point? I believe that The Devil is a very real entity. There are a lot of things that Dr. La Vey wrote about that is very dear to my heart, but this one thing loses me. I believe, in my heart, that the Morningstar, the first and most beautiful of all the angels was the only one with the BALLS to stand up to that impersonal, egomaniacal creator!!! Sure, you have groups like the Temple of Set who actually believe in Satan but they call him "Set" and bring in all of this egyptian stuff. To me, they almost get there (and they treat it like a real religion) but the miss it with the whole "Set" business. The Devil is the grest Accusser, the Original Renegade, and the one who gave us knowledge. If you all don't what to believe in that then fine. I guess that when Anton said that Satanism was the religion of the individual he wasn't kidding. Is there anyone out there who feels the way I do?
Hail Satan!
The Darkehorse
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: January 29th, 2006 04:03 am (UTC) |
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Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?
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Firstly, but not lastly, the one and only true living God is God himslf. God is love and nowhere in the bible will you hear of God telling people to murder and destoy people. You will find just the opposite in the Holy Bible. Thou shalt not Murder is one of the Ten Commandments Given to Moses by God. I admit I do not know the Koran from front to cover, but I know enough to see that christians are hated and should be put to death, etc. It all makes perfect sense to me that the God of this world, Satan, has blinded the minds of people, just as God has said. I was blinded by Satan also until I game my life to Christ Jesus, and know I can see the lies that Satan had blinded me by. In response to your question, jesus christ is God. jesus christ is the only prophet that was God and man. jesus christ was God and flesh. no other prophet or savior has ever been mentioned in this sense ever. this is how i know without a doubt that i am not wrong about my faith. i am not judging nor am i saying in anyway you should believe the way that i do. In conclusion, what if it is you who is "wrong"? Only judgement day will reveal who is right with God and who is not. There is only the "Truth", Jesus said "the Truth will make you free"
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From: ![[info]](http://l-stat.livejournal.com/img/userinfo.gif) vexen |
Date: February 13th, 2006 09:34 pm (UTC) |
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Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?
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You said "nowhere in the bible will you hear of God telling people to murder and destoy people"
The Bible says:
Exodus 32:27-28 "[Moses' orders to his army] he said to them, "The Lord God of Israel commands every one of you to put on his sword and go through the camp from this gate to the other and kill his brothers, his friends and his neighbours. The Levites obeyed and killed about 3000 Men that day."
Exodus 32:29 "Moses said to the Levites, "Today you have consecrated yourselves as priests in the service of the Lord by killing your sons and brothers, so the Lord has given you his blessing."
Numbers 31:17 (Moses) "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him (in other words: women that might be pregnant)."
Deuteronomy 7:1 "When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with them or show them any mercy."
Joshua 6:21-24 "With their swords they killed everyone in the city, men, women, young and old. They also killed the cattle, sheep and donkeys. ... And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the Lord."
Judges 20: A description of a battle, city-burning, no morals
Judges 20:42-48 "... and them which came out of the cities they destroyed in the midst of them. ... And there fell of Benjamin eighteen thousand of the best Benjamine soldiers; ... and they gleaned of them in the highways five thousand men; ... and slew two thousand men of them. So that all which fell that day of Benjamin were twenty and five thousand men that drew the sword; ... And the men of Israel turned again upon the children of Benjamin, and smote them with the edge of the sword, as well the men of every city, as the beast, and all that came to hand: also they set on fire all the cities that they came to."
1Kings 20:30 "But the rest fled to Aphek, into the city; and there a wall fell upon twenty and seven thousand of the men that were left."
1Samuel 6:19 "The Lord killed seventy of the men of Beth Shemesh because they looked inside the Covenant Box."
1Samuel 15:1-8 "Now listen to what the Lord Almighty says. He is going to punish the people of Amalek because their ancestors opposed the Israelites... 3-8 : With 210000 soldiers they killed all the men, women, children, babies, cattle, camels and donkeys."
And many more like it.
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: April 15th, 2007 01:35 pm (UTC) |
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Concept of Satanic belief,ref Church of Satan
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I have spent many hours at study within the web site of the Church of Satan.Before I address my main point as such , I wish to state that I applaude the clarity and utter honesty displayed by The Church of Satan in extolling their beliefs, structures and views. Indeed in England where I reside there is a distinct lack of truly clear belief in anything,rather we appear to have a disjointed situation comprising various Christian churchs and Muslims each trying to out -do the next in there mission to firstly get bums on seats, and then extract cash via the very depraved practice of endless Guilt trips imposed upon the "Worshipers".Satanic practice is in the Cos sense/style a refreshing change,it lacks deception, shuns lack of effort,and mindless stupidity. So I like much that I see in The Church of Satan, yet it seems that they as intelligent as they clearly are, have missed a glaring oddity at the very heart of their core principle, so now I turn to the main point to illuminate that disparity.The Church of Satan state that they belive niether in God Nor satan, fine so far ,but they add that they have rejected the Definition of satan based upon discarding the Christian model and of Satan, again fine, or is it? because in rejecting the Christian model of satan they then keep hold of his name (Satan), a Hebrew word meaning "Adversary" and in turn used by the early Biblical writers to describe the very same Satan that the Cos reject, so in conclusion the Cos is saying it rejects all Christian theological structure, yet it clings to the name Satan which is inextricably linked to and part of Christian theology.That is why I have not joined the CoS, if anyone can add a comment that would make me re-avaluate my position, then be my guest. If I am wrong,prove me so,and if you can, logically, I am obliged to accept your position as correct. But alas I doubt anyone shall be able too,not because I am so far up my own arse that being in error is somehow beyond my interlect, no rather I think I have applied strict logic ,and much as I may not like the answer it displays,much as it prevents my joining the Church of Satan ,I have to accept it as logical and factual.
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From: vexen |
Date: April 15th, 2007 04:42 pm (UTC) |
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Re: Concept of Satanic belief,ref Church of Satan
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"Satanism is More than Humanism" by Vexen Crabtree (2002) is a little primer on the emotional and symbolic "additions" to what you correctly point out as being an essentially rationalist-humanistic outlook. LaVey believed in mixing outrage, chauvenism and purpose, as is testified in his own notes (The Devil's Notebook, and, The Secret Life of a Satanist)... his tricky humour is something he says adds to the true sense of diabolicism. The 'theatrical' *is* a part of Satanism, as can be seen in the richness and drama of public rituals; if these 'extra' parts were omitted, it would appeal only to the hard intellectual types, but as it stands Satanism is an codified emotional expression of the anti-religious sentiment inherent in critical truth-seeking. Try "The Psychological Need for Dogma and Symbolism" by Vexen Crabtree (2002). Apologies for the self-links, it just saves time explaining similar questions all the time!
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| From: (Anonymous) |
Date: December 2nd, 2008 07:29 am (UTC) |
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Re: satanism=bullshit
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(continued from above)
Philosophy- I don't see how the satanist "philosophy" Lavey espoused is suppost to be useful. I guess there are a few good ideas like being independent and living for today. But the main focus is a selfish "me first cause I'm better than everyone". That is not a philosophy, it's just being an asshole. Without compassion society would not exist. Satanism would be against charity, well think back to the last time someone had compassion on you, would you want them to say "sorry I only give a fuck about myself?" I also do't understand the logic that hedonisim and selfishness make more sense then compassion and selflessness because it is in human nature to look out for yourself. This is something that some other people as well as satanists believe but what they fail to understand is that PART OF HUMAN NATURE IS THE ABILITY TO DEFY HUMAN NATURE! Anyway the whole philosophy is pretty hipocritical and laughable. The satanic bible recomends that people destroy their enemies who bother them- uh, do any satanists want to say how many they've destroyed? The book says that people should "indulge" but then says to obey the law and not do drugs. What do satanists indulge in, eating too much candy and staying up past their bedtime? Satanisim starts with the idea of "just do whatever you want" but then adds to it "-but don't do anything illigal. -And don't do anything really offensive either. -And make sure you don't do anything that might hurt yourself." Finally you realise that satanists are just like evereybody else except they have a cool philosophy to pretend to follow.
Magic- The satanic bible has magic spells in it and the church of satan practices magic rituals. Okay I'm sad that "Harry Potter" is over with too, but that still doesn't change the fact that MAGIC ISN'T REAL! There is no evidence of magic ever doing anything for anyone, and if it was real wouldn't that mean that people who practiced occult magic would be highly sucessful instead of wasting their lives chasing a fools gold? What I find ironic is that Anton Lavey's version of satanism does not believe in real beings called satan or god and claims logic and reason for this. Yet they believe in magical spells that Lavey randomly pulled out of his ass. (Or perhaps the collective asses of Aleister Crowley and some other occult weirdos.) It seems as if satanism is just as dogmatic other religions. It is misrepresentitive of someone to examine the evidence for someone elses religion and then
not apply the same skepticism to their own supernatural beliefs.
Satan- Okay so "Laveyian" satanists don't believe in an actual satan (or god) but instead believe that satan represents man's carnal nature (or whatever). Uh, why pick a bad guy from another religion and then pretend to worship it even though you have completly changed the meaning of it? The connection of satan to Lavey's ideas is dubious at best. I guess the satan character from the bible could represent rebellion and hedonisim, but he could represent other stuff. In the story of Job, Satan is "god's procecutor" so where would that fit in satanisim? Why even call the religion satanisim? Yeah I know buddhists call themselves buddhists and don't worship buddha- but they believe he existed and follow his teachings. But what satanists do is take a fictional character that was invented by a different religion and pretend to worship it. The only reason for this seems to be for attention. Satanists are using satan as a symbol for shock value, to scare people. This is pretty juvinaial, sort of like the little kid who eats dirt so the girls will say he is gross. It is ironic that satanists think of people as sheep, but feel the need to be the center of attention. According to the satanist philosophy they should be cunning, adapt themseves, and rise to the top, but by calling themselves satanists they probably label themselves as weirdos and avoid success.
Anton Lavey- I won't bother writting about how he was a liar and a con because aparently that is good that he was following his own philosophy and therefore deserved anything he conned from people. (OFF TOPIC: are any satanists interested in buying some magic beans?)
All I will say is that satanism is bullshit no mater how you look at it.
-Sky
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