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From: (Anonymous) Date: April 4th, 2003 10:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
people say that i worship the devil and sacrifice lambs on black marble alters etc. just because i am a goth, i dont believe in god/christianity, and i agree with alot the morals and values of satanism. These sort of people giv me the shits because its just plain ignorance for someone to say that i could beieve in the devil but not god because christianity created both. so u r being an ignorant dikhed if u say u r part of the anti christ and at the same time worship the devil, which these people must be accusing me of being if they say i am a slave 2 the devil. u cant believe in one and not the other so i choose to believe in neither because i associate christianity as being a scam that people such as priests etc. use 2 make themselves feel powerful and perfect so that they can look down upon inocent fools who belive they should be more like these people who misuse their power.
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 16th, 2003 09:59 am (UTC) (Link)
i think you're right because people who think they need to believe in god to be saved and shit they don't it's just in their damn heads. thats all
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 23rd, 2005 11:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
I am afraid that you have misunderstood a key element in the image of true satanism. The first sentence of the chapter "Wanted-God-Dead or Alive" in the book of Lucifer in the Satanic Bible states: "It is a popular misconception that the satanist does not believe in God. THe concept of 'God',as interpreted by man, has been so varied throughout the ages, that the satanist simply accepts the definition which suits him best." What this passage means is that satanism recognizes God and Satan, only in a different way than that of the church or the Holy Bible. For me, God is nothing more than a cosmic force that is present everywhere in the universe. Sort of like the force in the Star Wars movies. This force balances everything out. But because it is useless to worship this force as to expect some sort of salvation or good fortune, it makes more sense to worship the "here and now". Satanism is simply an elaborate and charismatic way to provoke the church, because they are self-decietful and masochistic assholes, while simultaneously not only accepting but embracing what really makes us human instead of shunning and denying it.
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 5th, 2009 02:29 pm (UTC) (Link)

u beleve in satan?

i have sworn to beat the shit out of any satanist that crosses me im not super religious cuz im punk but tell all your satanist friends i wanna fight them
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 11th, 2009 12:17 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: u beleve in satan?

LOL, such anger.

If you attempt to "beat the shit" out of any Satanist you encounter you will be fighting for the next 100 years... Plus, with an inclination towards the "might is right" beliefs that Satanists have, you will probably get the "shit" beat out of you more often than not.

Good luck in your endeavours chump, you should probably go back to school…

http://www.satannet.com/Remorazz/
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 31st, 2003 06:14 am (UTC) (Link)

How can you worship something you don't believe in?

I am a Satanist. But I have realized very quickly that most Satanist don't even believe that his Infernal Majesty is real. This angers me! What is the point? I believe that The Devil is a very real entity. There are a lot of things that Dr. La Vey wrote about that is very dear to my heart, but this one thing loses me. I believe, in my heart, that the Morningstar, the first and most beautiful of all the angels was the only one with the BALLS to stand up to that impersonal, egomaniacal creator!!! Sure, you have groups like the Temple of Set who actually believe in Satan but they call him "Set" and bring in all of this egyptian stuff. To me, they almost get there (and they treat it like a real religion) but the miss it with the whole "Set" business. The Devil is the grest Accusser, the Original Renegade, and the one who gave us knowledge. If you all don't what to believe in that then fine. I guess that when Anton said that Satanism was the religion of the individual he wasn't kidding. Is there anyone out there who feels the way I do?
Hail Satan!
The Darkehorse
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 31st, 2003 06:20 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

I posted that. My E-mail is: www.evildarkehorse13@aol.com
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 23rd, 2005 11:36 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

I am a satanist aswell and what you have to realize is, satanism is a provacative religion. Mostly, it is meant to piss off the church. Satan is not a living being. THe church created satan as a means to frighten all of its subjects to aquiesc to the church's will. What satan represents is us. We as human beings with all of our carnel qualities and desires are summed up in an allegorical image which is satan. Satan is no more an actual being than God is an invisible man in the sky watching our every moves and bestowing crual ironies upon us for his own sick amusement. Satanists essentially worship the image and the concept of satan. In more simplified terms, satanists are basically worshipping themselves as human beings and not some phony excuse for how humans should be in the eyes of the church. I hope this helped to clear up those areas of confusion.
-Hail Satan!
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 19th, 2006 10:16 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

I have to ask this question, Why do you Hail Satan, that is complete contradiction to your above statement. And if Satan is just a made up myth to "upset the Church", then why invole him in the first place? But, just what if Satan is a real being??? What if God and the bible are true?? What if your wrong in your thinking??? What if you are just being destroyed and used by Satan to carry out his deception and murderous spirit? And what if you are held accountable for your actions, how will you answer ulmighty God on judgement Day?
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 20th, 2006 02:12 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

What if *you're* wrong, and Allah is the only God? Why don't you apply your own logic to yourself?
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 29th, 2006 04:03 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

Firstly, but not lastly, the one and only true living God is God himslf. God is love and nowhere in the bible will you hear of God telling people to murder and destoy people. You will find just the opposite in the Holy Bible. Thou shalt not Murder is one of the Ten Commandments Given to Moses by God. I admit I do not know the Koran from front to cover, but I know enough to see that christians are hated and should be put to death, etc. It all makes perfect sense to me that the God of this world, Satan, has blinded the minds of people, just as God has said. I was blinded by Satan also until I game my life to Christ Jesus, and know I can see the lies that Satan had blinded me by. In response to your question, jesus christ is God. jesus christ is the only prophet that was God and man. jesus christ was God and flesh. no other prophet or savior has ever been mentioned in this sense ever. this is how i know without a doubt that i am not wrong about my faith. i am not judging nor am i saying in anyway you should believe the way that i do. In conclusion, what if it is you who is "wrong"? Only judgement day will reveal who is right with God and who is not. There is only the "Truth", Jesus said "the Truth will make you free"
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: February 13th, 2006 09:34 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

You said "nowhere in the bible will you hear of God telling people to murder and destoy people"

The Bible says:

Exodus 32:27-28 "[Moses' orders to his army] he said to them, "The Lord God of Israel commands every one of you to put on his sword and go through the camp from this gate to the other and kill his brothers, his friends and his neighbours. The Levites obeyed and killed about 3000 Men that day."
Exodus 32:29 "Moses said to the Levites, "Today you have consecrated yourselves as priests in the service of the Lord by killing your sons and brothers, so the Lord has given you his blessing."
Numbers 31:17 (Moses) "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him (in other words: women that might be pregnant)."
Deuteronomy 7:1 "When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with them or show them any mercy."
Joshua 6:21-24 "With their swords they killed everyone in the city, men, women, young and old. They also killed the cattle, sheep and donkeys. ... And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the Lord."
Judges 20: A description of a battle, city-burning, no morals
Judges 20:42-48 "... and them which came out of the cities they destroyed in the midst of them. ... And there fell of Benjamin eighteen thousand of the best Benjamine soldiers; ... and they gleaned of them in the highways five thousand men; ... and slew two thousand men of them. So that all which fell that day of Benjamin were twenty and five thousand men that drew the sword; ... And the men of Israel turned again upon the children of Benjamin, and smote them with the edge of the sword, as well the men of every city, as the beast, and all that came to hand: also they set on fire all the cities that they came to."
1Kings 20:30 "But the rest fled to Aphek, into the city; and there a wall fell upon twenty and seven thousand of the men that were left."
1Samuel 6:19 "The Lord killed seventy of the men of Beth Shemesh because they looked inside the Covenant Box."
1Samuel 15:1-8 "Now listen to what the Lord Almighty says. He is going to punish the people of Amalek because their ancestors opposed the Israelites... 3-8 : With 210000 soldiers they killed all the men, women, children, babies, cattle, camels and donkeys."

And many more like it.
From: (Anonymous) Date: March 25th, 2007 02:10 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

God told someone to kill his own son. He then revealed it was just a test to make sure he would not have to share human love.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 18th, 2006 02:06 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

The questin is not what if but why not. God is the true God and Allah is a joke. You are kidding yourself my friend and you wil be a slave of Saran himself.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 20th, 2006 02:20 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

http://www.dpjs.co.uk/modern.html#Hail
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 1st, 2006 10:28 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

yo, I totaly agree with you and I'm considering satanism as well, just after I read the bible of satan. I agree with you complietly, Satan is not a real being, he was made up by the church, or some gay fat priest who wanted total control over everyone. The guy that thinks that satan is a real being is agreeing with the church enforcing its power.
Thats all I have to say
From: [info]acidburn_2006 Date: August 15th, 2005 02:17 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

Satanism is not about the beleif in a being like god for christianity satanism is the beleif in yourself u are the ultimate athority there is not high being other than youself. That is what rue satanism is i feel that you control your onw life and the that you have a high being indidcate that you really dont have any control over your life. and to each his own just because some other group does not do it the way you feel it should be does not make it wrong. ONe of the first things in satanism is that it is you who sets your own beleifs and how you want to perceive it.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 19th, 2006 10:21 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

You can't worship something that is a lie. Although you could and that would be called living in deception.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 20th, 2006 02:21 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

Hence: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism... etc. The solution to religious lies is antireligion.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 29th, 2006 04:05 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

So you are an anti-christ then.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 18th, 2006 01:52 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

no but you can believe! God want you to have faith in his very word. He is up in heaven watching you every day and you need to believe in something and that is God. If you do not believe in God and do not accept him he will not accept you on Judgment day.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 27th, 2007 10:45 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

i agree with you !good will rise and evil will fall into the abiss!
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 18th, 2006 02:04 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

You dark horse have some problems to deal with. First of all that egomanical creator you are talking about could smyte you like a bug. But god, Jehovah Jirah, the king of kings, lord of lords, is not like that. He loves you so much that he put you on this earth to only love him as he one who created YOU! hail Satan my ass. Why do you hail an imposter of heaven who only wanted all power to himself. Pride is a sin my friend. Why would you love Satan, the spirit of destruction that will torture you and burn you to the very bone in the afterlife. When Judgment day comes and the 666 sign is presented on the foreheads of the antichristians you will be there scared as hell and will not turn back unless you change your mind now. God loves you and Jesus went through a long and painful death for YOU. You love a spirit that cannot be loved and he is only lurring you closer and closer to HELL!!!!!!!! TURN BACK BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!!!!!!
From: (Anonymous) Date: July 1st, 2006 01:46 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

Ijust come across this web sire. It is very interesting. I just read the comments on LOgic and GOD prepared by Vexen guy. I noticed that there is a guy popped out of nowhere like an angel and presented a very convincing proof that our beautiful universe definetely has a creator. (he is interpreting a collection of Risale- NUR answering all the questions) I suggest you first to read his comments and make a decision by yourself. Now I am suggesting these arguments on logic and God to everybdoy. Even in my deep inside I feel convinced by easing off all my doubts.

take vare

Eric
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 20th, 2006 03:44 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

This planet was perfect once jackass. All that fucker did was mess it up and losers like you respect him for it. sure he opened alot of doors for us but they only lead to depression, trust me, i been in all that shit and in a couple of years life just starts to suck. and even if all that bullshit brings true happyness it also brings eternal damnation. Get some fucking logic in ur head asshole. ok but i have to say, you seem the only non poser on this fucking site. all those other ppol worship him and dont beleive in him. i know ur gonna want to argue bak, ill give u my email seperatley. cya
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: July 13th, 2006 08:53 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: How can you worship something you don't believe in?

1) This planet was never "perfect" and there's no such thing as there being a "perfect" planet. Aren't gas giants perfect? Jupiter? Or maybe moons are perfect? Perhaps the more moons a planet has, the more perfect it is? Or maybe, because no planets have circular orbits, no planet is perfect? What do you mean by a "perfect" planet? The planet is getting more stable over time in terms of natural disasters, less Earthquakes occur every century than the century before, and less volcanoes. So you saying that it "used" to be perfect from a human point of view is nonsensical.

2) Innocent people die in natural disasters: It has nothing to do with free will.
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 5th, 2009 02:35 pm (UTC) (Link)

fuck the anti christ satan and his followers and fuck anton lavey

when i go to california im gonna fight evary satanist i can find. quit forcing your kids to beleve in this shit its a cult you dumb shits and yes i may be punk but i beleve in god
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 16th, 2003 09:54 am (UTC) (Link)
hey i think this shit sucks BIG time because you people don't know what the hell you are talking about so just shut the fuckup!
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: September 16th, 2003 10:07 am (UTC) (Link)
So... going to enlighten us, then, or just swear?
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 8th, 2006 09:00 pm (UTC) (Link)

poor souls

i just want to say that i am a christian and i'm not here to judge the people here cause it's not for me to judge but i have one thing to say,and that is Jesus Loves You all,not matter who or what you are or what you practice,satan is called the father of all lies and people you are all being decieved by him,people think that hell is one big party but it's not,it is just a lake of fire that will never be quenched,Repent and be saved for THE TRUE LIVING GOD is there to except you and forgive you of all your sins.
JESUS LOVE YOU.
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 1st, 2006 10:35 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: poor souls

YOU FUCK, Satanism has nothing to do with the christian satan or any other dark lord, wats wrong with you!!! if you are in position to judge then dont complain about it because it has nothing to do with you.
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: September 2nd, 2006 05:12 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: poor souls

You are right, the page I point people to when they confuse Satanism with Christianity, is: http://www.dpjs.co.uk/christianity.html
From: (Anonymous) Date: November 2nd, 2004 06:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
You have changed my views of life now i am a true believer
From: (Anonymous) Date: March 17th, 2005 09:31 am (UTC) (Link)

Symbol

What does the symbol of the star and the circle with the cross signify? What is it origins? Thank you for any responce. E
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 5th, 2006 12:53 pm (UTC) (Link)

Vexen is Sick

Vexen, i write this only becouse i am worried about your soul. God still loves you, but by the time the three days of darkness have come, you will be killed. The devil does not love you, and while it may seem that you can do anything you want if you serve the unholy one, you cannot. Pray Vexen, Jesus died for your sins, now justify that.

Sincerly yours,

22
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 17th, 2006 04:57 am (UTC) (Link)

stuff

i think its stupid. your prising someone whos taking u to a burning hell and if u believe in satan theres gota b a god for the only place satan is mention is in the bible in todays world. its the only prof that he is real. 4so a god must exist and the bible must be true cose if it wasnt god or satan will b a fake. satan doesnt care bout u he only wants u so ur burn in hell and ur feel sorry 4 urself. i as a christain have felt the prensence of both satan and god and satan is the only one that temps me into things which only let to bad concequences. if ur a satanic ur in the wrong boat learn to look in the mirror not a picture that satan has placed in front of u blindin u from the truth 4 ur never no wat will happen tomos
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 15th, 2007 01:35 pm (UTC) (Link)

Concept of Satanic belief,ref Church of Satan

I have spent many hours at study within the web site of the Church of Satan.Before I address my main point as such , I wish to state that I applaude the clarity and utter honesty displayed by The Church of Satan in extolling their beliefs, structures and views. Indeed in England where I reside there is a distinct lack of truly clear belief in anything,rather we appear to have a disjointed situation comprising various Christian churchs and Muslims each trying to out -do the next in there mission to firstly get bums on seats, and then extract cash via the very depraved practice of endless Guilt trips imposed upon the "Worshipers".Satanic practice is in the Cos sense/style a refreshing change,it lacks deception, shuns lack of effort,and mindless stupidity. So I like much that I see in The Church of Satan, yet it seems that they as intelligent as they clearly are, have missed a glaring oddity at the very heart of their core principle, so now I turn to the main point to illuminate that disparity.The Church of Satan state that they belive niether in God Nor satan, fine so far ,but they add that they have rejected the Definition of satan based upon discarding the Christian model and of Satan, again fine, or is it? because in rejecting the Christian model of satan they then keep hold of his name (Satan), a Hebrew word meaning "Adversary" and in turn used by the early Biblical writers to describe the very same Satan that the Cos reject, so in conclusion the Cos is saying it rejects all Christian theological structure, yet it clings to the name Satan which is inextricably linked to and part of Christian theology.That is why I have not joined the CoS, if anyone can add a comment that would make me re-avaluate my position, then be my guest. If I am wrong,prove me so,and if you can, logically, I am obliged to accept your position as correct. But alas I doubt anyone shall be able too,not because I am so far up my own arse that being in error is somehow beyond my interlect, no rather I think I have applied strict logic ,and much as I may not like the answer it displays,much as it prevents my joining the Church of Satan ,I have to accept it as logical and factual.
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: April 15th, 2007 02:21 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Concept of Satanic belief,ref Church of Satan

Thank you for your articulate and mature comments. The archetype of Satan is not limited to merely the Hebrew word; "The Satanic Bible" by Anton LaVey contains a list of the 66 'Infernal Names' which is a list many cultures' and languages' names for Satan-esque concepts. The CoS had to *have* a name, so the common English-usage name Satan was picked - also, no other group had previously used that title.

That the early Hebrews used the word 'Satan' means that the term covers the opposition to God in three major world religions - Christianity, Islam and Judaism. It is the widest term for Satan in common use, therefore the clearest.
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 15th, 2007 04:07 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Concept of Satanic belief,ref Church of Satan

Vexen ,Thankyou for your comment/reply to my previous point.On the subject I am considering your reply/ points. I wonder do you not conclude that the obvious requirement for a name( CoS) could as easily have been resolved by the terms Church of Free Thought, Or The Church of Logical Thought or The Anti Orthodoxical Church of Reason Free Thought and Logic, so the term Satan in "Title" was and remains I suspect more Theatre than a strictly Anti Theological statement. Your are right,that in the other sense the term "Satan" is more anti denominational than just Christianity alone . I need not over work the point ,as clearly you are no fool,your answer is interesting, I shall think think on it.
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: April 15th, 2007 04:42 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Concept of Satanic belief,ref Church of Satan

"Satanism is More than Humanism" by Vexen Crabtree (2002) is a little primer on the emotional and symbolic "additions" to what you correctly point out as being an essentially rationalist-humanistic outlook.

LaVey believed in mixing outrage, chauvenism and purpose, as is testified in his own notes (The Devil's Notebook, and, The Secret Life of a Satanist)... his tricky humour is something he says adds to the true sense of diabolicism.

The 'theatrical' *is* a part of Satanism, as can be seen in the richness and drama of public rituals; if these 'extra' parts were omitted, it would appeal only to the hard intellectual types, but as it stands Satanism is an codified emotional expression of the anti-religious sentiment inherent in critical truth-seeking.

Try "The Psychological Need for Dogma and Symbolism" by Vexen Crabtree (2002). Apologies for the self-links, it just saves time explaining similar questions all the time!
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 29th, 2007 02:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

*Rolls eyes*

Pathetic.. have you actually researched Satanism?
No, thought not.
And when you say that Satanism isn't intelligent... no offence, but the Bible had contradictions. Doesn't mean it isn't intelligent, though, does it?
Exactly, no.
Think before you ridicule somebody else's beliefs.
It's dangerous to be like you.. people like that usually end up in a gutter =]
Not a threat. Just saying.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 10th, 2008 01:25 am (UTC) (Link)
Vexen,

I have to say that I truly love your site. Your essays and commentaries are intelligent and insightful, and I concur with much of what you've written. I also had a good laugh at the comments posted above. Who doesn't get a kick out of Christians trying to turn you away from the Dark Side because JESUS LOVES YOU? That's just entertainment. Small wonder the Romans had so much fun with Christians in the Coliseum. The sad thing is that they can't wrap their tiny minds around the fact that living in the darkness one sees only truth. I'd rather that than being blinded by the light of some murderous, petulant "God". Since I've embraced Satanic philosophies (and others besides--can't be limiting myself!), my soul has never felt freer, and I have never lived more truly to myself.

Cheers,
Nemesis
From: (Anonymous) Date: December 2nd, 2008 07:23 am (UTC) (Link)

satanism=bullshit

To the webmaster

I stumbled upon your site after googleing "critcism of buddhism". Even though I didn't agree with everything, I thought you had an interesting take on religion. Then I read your page about satanism, which completly turned me off and discredited everything else you wrote about. It seemed strange that an adult with a college education would try to justify this junk. Before I go further let me explain that I have some knowledge of Anton Lavey and the "Church of Satan". I am an agnostic-atheist so I am not going to waste your time telling you about how you are going to hell. Instead I will show you how a non-christian would disagree with your relligion.

(continued in a reply so it will fit)
From: (Anonymous) Date: December 2nd, 2008 07:29 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: satanism=bullshit

(continued from above)

Philosophy- I don't see how the satanist "philosophy" Lavey espoused is suppost to be useful. I guess there are a few good ideas like being independent and living for today. But the main focus is a selfish "me first cause I'm better than everyone". That is not a philosophy, it's just being an asshole. Without compassion society would not exist. Satanism would be against charity, well think back to the last time someone had compassion on you, would you want them to say "sorry I only give a fuck about myself?" I also do't understand the logic that hedonisim and selfishness make more sense then compassion and selflessness because it is in human nature to look out for yourself. This is something that some other people as well as satanists believe but what they fail to understand is that PART OF HUMAN NATURE IS THE ABILITY TO DEFY HUMAN NATURE! Anyway the whole philosophy is pretty hipocritical and laughable. The satanic bible recomends that people destroy their enemies who bother them- uh, do any satanists want to say how many they've destroyed? The book says that people should "indulge" but then says to obey the law and not do drugs. What do satanists indulge in, eating too much candy and staying up past their bedtime? Satanisim starts with the idea of "just do whatever you want" but then adds to it "-but don't do anything illigal. -And don't do anything really offensive either. -And make sure you don't do anything that might hurt yourself." Finally you realise that satanists are just like evereybody else except they have a cool philosophy to pretend to follow.

Magic- The satanic bible has magic spells in it and the church of satan practices magic rituals. Okay I'm sad that "Harry Potter" is over with too, but that still doesn't change the fact that MAGIC ISN'T REAL! There is no evidence of magic ever doing anything for anyone, and if it was real wouldn't that mean that people who practiced occult magic would be highly sucessful instead of wasting their lives chasing a fools gold? What I find ironic is that Anton Lavey's version of satanism does not believe in real beings called satan or god and claims logic and reason for this. Yet they believe in magical spells that Lavey randomly pulled out of his ass. (Or perhaps the collective asses of Aleister Crowley and some other occult weirdos.) It seems as if satanism is just as dogmatic other religions. It is misrepresentitive of someone to examine the evidence for someone elses religion and then
not apply the same skepticism to their own supernatural beliefs.

Satan- Okay so "Laveyian" satanists don't believe in an actual satan (or god) but instead believe that satan represents man's carnal nature (or whatever). Uh, why pick a bad guy from another religion and then pretend to worship it even though you have completly changed the meaning of it? The connection of satan to Lavey's ideas is dubious at best. I guess the satan character from the bible could represent rebellion and hedonisim, but he could represent other stuff. In the story of Job, Satan is "god's procecutor" so where would that fit in satanisim? Why even call the religion satanisim? Yeah I know buddhists call themselves buddhists and don't worship buddha- but they believe he existed and follow his teachings. But what satanists do is take a fictional character that was invented by a different religion and pretend to worship it. The only reason for this seems to be for attention. Satanists are using satan as a symbol for shock value, to scare people. This is pretty juvinaial, sort of like the little kid who eats dirt so the girls will say he is gross. It is ironic that satanists think of people as sheep, but feel the need to be the center of attention. According to the satanist philosophy they should be cunning, adapt themseves, and rise to the top, but by calling themselves satanists they probably label themselves as weirdos and avoid success.

Anton Lavey- I won't bother writting about how he was a liar and a con because aparently that is good that he was following his own philosophy and therefore deserved anything he conned from people. (OFF TOPIC: are any satanists interested in buying some magic beans?)
All I will say is that satanism is bullshit no mater how you look at it.

-Sky
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 25th, 2009 04:14 am (UTC) (Link)

So you think you believe in "God"

I believe almost all religions believing in God believe and worship him in fear. If your god loves you, why would he send you to hell? Why is there such thing as the devil or demons or evil? Life is not simply categorized into two simple subjects: evil and good. And if you say it is, then wouldn't god be the evil one? There are more sins that you can achieve in life than good things you could ever do for god. Why not live life to the fullest and disregard your fear of God, because if God is the one to be afraid of, then you must simply be prepared for hell. Wouldn't everyone rather be on Satan's good side before ending up with him forever? If god is the most powerful, then why is Satan feared most?
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