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From: (Anonymous) Date: October 11th, 2003 11:48 am (UTC) (Link)

err

ok, well i'm really not sure what to think about this website.. i dont believe in god at the moment.. i dont know whether the music i listen to influences this in anyway, but i am or was a muslim, and right now i'm just sort of questioning everything, and i heard something about satanism, so i decided that i'd do some research or whatever. i came to this site and was very interested in what it had to say.. considering the fact that i'm only 14. i doubt you'll actually reply to this, especially because it's a load of crap but whatever. anyways, i guess i'm just bitching about nothing, but i really dont know what to think. so far, my one true belief is that i shouldnt have to thank a supposed "god" in any way for something that i have suceeded in or anything, i think that i can take the credit for something that i have truly worked hard for, and i dont need to thank anyone or anything else. yeah, if you have any other information, please email me... my address is miti1@hotmail.com if you read this that is.
cheers
-sarah
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: October 11th, 2003 12:28 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: err


Satanism isn't for most people, I'm not to try and force a religion on anyone who doesn't "click" with it. So I don't care if you like it.

But at the least, in religoin, you DO need to question everything, make sure what you're doing is rational, otherwise you'll get abused. So you're going about it right by keeping skepticism and doubt and asking questions.

Anton LaVey says, "Question everything" and "Always ask what's in it, and for who!"

Ask a specific question, I'll give a specific answer.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 25th, 2007 08:12 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: err

Just wanted to let you know that you're not alone, I'm 14 too.
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 19th, 2004 04:51 pm (UTC) (Link)

questions...

umm... i feel like an idiot doing this but i am thinking of becoming a satanist and need a few pointers.
1. what do you do to explain to your xtian friends that you don't worship the devil?
2. how do you really convert to satanism? is there a ritual/whatever?
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 7th, 2005 12:17 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: questions...

The choice is yours, but don;t be blinded by lies and half truths. Satanism is not the worshiping of Satan, this is true, but it is the acceptance and worshiping of everything that Christians fear, loath, or find impure. So you may tell yourself that you do not worship the Devil, but you worship everything he stands for, which is everything not considered inherently good. You wish to become his ally, and being the weaker of the two you will be his servant.
From: (Anonymous) Date: December 9th, 2005 03:34 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: questions...

So you don't worship satan; but are his servant. And accept everthing chritians fear, loath or find impure. Like murder, stealing, greed, lazyness and lying. Is that right or did I miss read that?
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 25th, 2007 08:19 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: questions...

1. You can tell them that you are an "archetypal Satanist". If they ask you what that means tell them it means that you follow the teachings of Anton Szandor Lavey and worship the archetype of Satan, not the literal Satan (who you don't believe in anyway).
2. There are rituals but they're symbolic. To become a Satanist all you have to do is start following the teachings of Lavey.
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 7th, 2004 05:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
i was interested in satanism and i found your website. i really like it. i learned many things from reading it. many things that i once thought were true about satanism i realised were not.
one questions though, are you gay? (im just curious) i read one page about how you and this guy aren't boyfriends anymore or some shit.
vexen From: [info]vexen Date: April 8th, 2004 04:13 am (UTC) (Link)
No I'm not gay... but you only live life once, I'll do whatever seems to be right.
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 15th, 2004 08:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
I BELIEVE THAT SATAN EXIXST BUT IN THE END GOD WILL PREVAIL CAUSE HE HAS THE ULTIMATE POWER TO CAST ALL THE POWER OF SATAN....THERE WOULDC ME A TIME THAT SATAN WILL SAY THAT "GOD IS THE TRUE AND ONLY ONE GOD"
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 28th, 2004 08:47 am (UTC) (Link)
you are right, i agree with you but remember that satanist dont focus on satan they believe they are there own and dont really believe in him
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 15th, 2004 08:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
GOD MAY NOT ACT NOW BUT I KNOW AND I BELIEVE THAT ALL THE CHILDREN OF SATAN WILL PERISH....CHRISTIANS ALWAYS RULES
From: (Anonymous) Date: July 11th, 2007 07:01 am (UTC) (Link)
If only you had the mental capacity to even comprehend the universal quantitys of ignorance and stupidity in this post.

Maybe you found jesus, but will you ever find your capslock button again??

-Vallock
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 4th, 2008 03:52 am (UTC) (Link)
If only stupidity and ignorance would hurt i would be a very happy man.
Keeping an open mind is a hard task but i see no difference from the extremist christians as the ones who have posted onto this blog towards any other fanatical extremists of any other religions who point and condemn. I may not be fully devoted to any religion including satanism but even i can see the logic in a good variety of topics and beliefs regarding Laveys techings.
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 4th, 2008 04:05 am (UTC) (Link)
And yes i have mispelled teachings.
I think the real point to be noted is that people who believe to be in the righteous position to condemn another need to expand their lives and open up to other interests, a hobby perhaps. Since they may find offense in your religious veiws but they need to comprehend that no harm will ever come to them from it. If they want to better themselves and polish up their
so called christian values then get your behinds in gear and travel to a country where poverty, disease and crime is at large and offer your cervices where most needed but the truth in the matter is that these holy couch potatoes never dream of handling more excitement in their pitiful lives as the adrenalin rush they have just experienced in criticizing this blog.
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 15th, 2004 08:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
vexen i will be waiting on your reply to this....
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 16th, 2006 01:40 am (UTC) (Link)

GOD CAN GO SUCK A DICK

y dont u go fuk urself fuk christians i was christians once and it brought nothin good to my life at the end i ask for somthing so simple nothin ever happens God is truely evil for not givein us wat can be simply givin to us and if he was all powerfull why did he have to rest on the 7th day??? u fukin tard give up christianity at the end its just a big waste of time all ur sundays fridays and shit u spend on God will leave u nothin and u will die and u will regret for ever thinkin for once God was real haha but enjoy ur life when u can when u die u get nothin no heaven to go to and no hell to fall to no sinners will be roasted in hell and no christians will go to heaven ether so go fuk urself and ur God i dont give a shit waste ur dam life bicth God dont exist when u pray ur talkin to a flat wall dumbshit
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 9th, 2004 09:44 am (UTC) (Link)

Vexen Crabtree

Do all Satanists look like Vexen? I've never been big on Satan, probably due to conditioning (fear of hell fire and all that) but if all Satanic guys look this tasty, I might be willing to harken unto "Old Scratch".
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 25th, 2007 08:14 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Vexen Crabtree

XD
From: (Anonymous) Date: December 16th, 2004 11:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
Jesus said ther would be mockers in the last day. Repent of your sins and ask Jesus in your heart today.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 21st, 2005 03:34 am (UTC) (Link)

this is Mo'Riff- because im not anonymous

christains like the ones who posted above are all assholes with a inferiority complex. they are so insecure with themselves because deep down they know they are following lies and to feel better about themselves they put down everything and everyone else who doesnt fit their mold. fuck the white lighters and hail satan...beeootch.
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 7th, 2005 12:20 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: this is Mo'Riff- because im not anonymous

But yet you just now have done exactly what you hate them for. Curious, and blind.
silencetalks From: [info]silencetalks Date: March 22nd, 2005 08:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
i agree with the above comment.
As for myself up untill just recently i have always been nonreligious or maybe somewhat agnostic but now since i have "questioned everything" till the point of insanity, i now have no belief in god. God didnt create us; we created him, and as for hell and satan their concepts were thought up to enforce fear in our confused minds to persuade us to follow the path of their righteousness. Now as to what my beliefs are labeled as, i do not know. Im thinking im atheist, but ive been told Satanist don’t have to believe in satan...so my question is what does this make me?
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 21st, 2007 04:07 am (UTC) (Link)

have faith

i really hope u get to kno god im going to be praying for i was like u at one time in my life the thing about u is you do believe in god u just have no faith have faith in our god

i will be praying for u your freiend R.G
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 25th, 2007 08:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
It means that you're an archetypal Satanist just like me!
In case you don't know what that means (most people don't.)
There are two types of Satanists, archetypal and literal. Literal Satanists believe and worship a literal Satan whilst archetypal Satanists believe in the archetype of Satan.
You would be an Atheist (also like me) since Satanism is an Atheistic religion. This is not to say that you can't believe in God while you're a Satanist, it's just really hard.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 7th, 2005 01:21 am (UTC) (Link)
lick my nuts.
you're all fucking plumb-loco.
From: (Anonymous) Date: December 30th, 2006 09:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
well said old chap but why use so many words?
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 19th, 2005 12:55 am (UTC) (Link)

Satan!!!!

Satan?.....Hmmm......sssss....aaaaaah.....I dont really believe in satan
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 10th, 2006 06:35 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: satan is real

satan is real but no the true god he is but a fallen angel a mere of glimmer of what he once was i am a child of the one true god but i am not there to put you down for that is not what the bible teaches. it teaches to love everry one no matter what they beleive for Jesus died for everyones!!!!!!!!! sins. may god show himself to all of you soon. i will pray for all of you even if you dont want it.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 10th, 2006 06:49 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: this is the same person who wrote the above statment

My name is Mordul all the other christians havent told you there names becase they are ashamed and do this to make themselves feel better i do this to gain more brothers and sisters in christ because this is what we were meant to do. I am seventeen so before you start saying im probably some old person im not i am a normal teenager who enjoys to have fun as much as everyone else. if you want to have a conversation on my beleifs you can reach me at painful_fever@yahoo.com i will not put you down and i will listen to your opinions before i speak my mind our conversations will not be heated debates or single minded. they will be just as if you were talking to a close friend.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 25th, 2007 08:26 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Satan!!!!

I don't either.
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 15th, 2006 04:12 am (UTC) (Link)

Hello

Well I have just read Paradise Lost and that Book seemed to make something "Trip" inside pf me. My entire life has been all about the Christain religion and what God can do for me. My Father was just killed in a car wreck and the church that my mother and I currnently go to never helped. My mother works in a strip joint down town and has never been liked by the church except when my fahter was there. All this made me really mad I went on a started drugs. They got to expensive and had to quit. I then tried to see if I could in any way get some help from my paster. He said read paradise lost. Now here i am and see what Satanism is good for. I, of course, have always heard that satan is the bad one and he will make you burn in hell and all that BS. But when i read Milton I saw what was happening. God created Hell. God did not just creat hell for the hell of it.
My question is though, where will all this take me? I will not leave this religion and see that it is the greatest thing that has ever happened to me but why?

Thanks-Me
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 16th, 2006 02:12 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Hello

Hi!

My name is Dawn

I am so sorry bout your dad. I am a christian and i dont understand your pastors actions, but im not authorized to judge. When jesus was on earth he spent most of his time with sinners. There is no reason for anyone to judge your mom. This is also what the bible teaches. I believe that only if you have walked in the shoes and the path of a person then you can judge and there is no way that anyone is capable of doing that. We all have our life experiences and we are all where we are because of it.

I dont understand satanism 100%, but i have no desire to do so. I have an absolute love for GOD. I will be a liar if i had to say that i am a saint and do only good. I too stray, but i think being a christian is about choosing to love people as much as yourself and choosing to remember that in all you do.

I am saddened by what you wrote as i would not wish it upon myself. I had some bad things happen to me as well and i wanted to blame God for them. I realize though that God's mind is not our mind and we will not be able to understand his actions, but being a christian means trusting them. It sounds stupid, but when you know anyone for a long time and they have always pulled through for you then it becomes so easy to trust them... even blindly.

A father took his 4yr old son to the dentist one day. He loved him dearly and always told him that. The dentist found a rotten tooth beyond repair and mentioned to the father that he would need to extract it. The father gave him the go ahead and tried to explain it to the son. The son was only four and lacked the knowledge of the father and therefore he refused to have this done. The dentist told the father to hold down the son as he extracted the tooth and he will make it as painless as possible. The father did this and as he held the son down the son looked at him with emotional pain and confusion saying '' you claim to love me and yet you allow this man to hurt me''. I love this story and think of it everytime i feel disappointed by God... HIS mind is not ours, just because we dont understand his actions does not make it bad.

It feels good when you learn to trust him though as nothing moves your foundations you as easily...
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 30th, 2006 03:56 pm (UTC) (Link)

Satanism

Well i believe in God. I am not sure what you guy see in Satanism? Though unless you do not commit truely bad crimes god will still let you into his Kingdom as you are blind. Satan does not exist!
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 25th, 2007 08:29 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Satanism

Of course Satan doesn't exist.
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 30th, 2006 03:59 pm (UTC) (Link)

Good Vs Evil

If you lot ever seen the Bible? Or any other holy book? If you read what is inside. You will figure out that is says that God has already defeated Lucifier. Evil loses when love is in question.
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 31st, 2006 10:16 am (UTC) (Link)

Hey

I am a student currently in search of my truth... I have come across dualism. In my studies of dualism it looks at the conflicting nature of the universe and human perception. While these white lighters are claiming to purify the "darkness" from their soul, this is in turn a flawed goal. I belive this goal will create a dogmatic if you are not with us your against us for those who wish to seek out their own truths. Dogmatic views are pointless, in my intereptation you must give up free will to live in a pleaseant place. The claim that the bible is the absolute truth is absurd. People are forgetting to take in the validity of that information or any information they recive these days. Though I can see some truth in satanism I cannot find my truth in it. My ultimate goal in life is to transcend "good and evil" and live in balance.
I will say this, I cannot respect those 13 year old assholes that become satanist, just for the shock value.
I can respect someone who understands the philosophy behind it and can justify their belife in a rational way and that is what you have seem to done.
From: (Anonymous) Date: December 30th, 2006 08:59 pm (UTC) (Link)

Satanism/Truth

Hi Vexen and all,
I knew and sat with Alex Sanders who was a ritual magician and was very fond of him but took his friendship for granted due to my age and circumstances during the early 80s. I experimented with mind altering drugs 30 years ago and stayed with the Hare Krisna people at Bakti Devanta Manor. I was baptized as a teenager but rejected christianity only to continue to puzzle over truth and the nature of soul/self/permanence etc. My view of satanism is that they are either very able to understand ideas, arguments and concepts or inclined to be obedientelly impressed by such ability and presentation.

The tale of the 5' chopsticks (see Buddhism)I heard told in 1967 during school assembly by teacher Eric Smith, a salvationist music teacher who ran the school brass band and taught with patience and compassion the least able and problematic pupils in the secondary school. The meaning of the story was immediatelly apparent to me as an 11 year old and has remained with me. The explanation given on this site appeared to view the story cynically and disregarded the simple message. The inclination to cynically conceptualise from a centred perspective is apparent from the satanic perspective offered and I suggest that the story's meaning can paradoxically offer direct insight into the very nature of that cynical perspective. The intellectual confidence that typifies satanism will I beleive play a crucial role in the final button pushing madness that will almost certainly signal the finality of life on this planet. Whether we are cleverly right or wrong is secondary to the notion that the best final survivor was able to say "fuck you" louder and more effectively than anyone else,...wow!.

What I think might be of more interest to the post armageddon celestial visitor is that the final survivor understood the principle of karmic reciprocity but chose not to apply it as a final profound act and declaration of aspiring humanity. Also that humanity ultimately failed to offer the humble acknowledgment that we didn't know it all but that we did know it was better to say "bless you" rather than "fuck you". How would a satanist put it? "Suck my xxxx, Satan".
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 2nd, 2007 10:26 pm (UTC) (Link)

Satanists aren't anybody's enemies

I just wanted to say Vexen how much I appreciate the information on your site as a great source for what Satanists and LaVeyan Satanism is about. I'm planning to write an essay or two for the Witches' Voice to encourage some Neo-Pagans to shed their very biased views towards Satanists, because they whine on like Christians at times. Don't let these people get you down when they blanket-post about how they're praying for you - it's only those insecure in what they believe that feel they have to prove it by pressing it on everybody else.

Vetch,
Druid
From: (Anonymous) Date: July 30th, 2007 05:48 am (UTC) (Link)

Your Satanism Site.

I just wanted to comment on your site and I also have a question.

The site is very informative and it is nice to read your thoughts and perspective on Satanism. There are few sites I can read through to get the idea of what others think who have declared themselves Satanists. I too have declared myself a Satanist after reading The Satanic Bible and it is good to know that there are others out there who are not blind and ignorant. Thank you for taking the time to create this site, I really enjoyed it.

One thing that has bothered me though is your section on Satanic "Character Types". In your essay you list Infernals, Evangelists, Practicals and Diabolicists. From what I have learned, Infernals would not be considered Satanists, as these types do not act responsibly. By your definition, say the rock band "Motley Crue" could be considered a notorious group on Infernals. But by the standards of The Church Of Satan, they would not be considered Satanists at all. Just self destructive idiots.

Am I incorrect in my thoughts or have I missed something in your essay?
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 15th, 2009 03:53 pm (UTC) (Link)

Hailia,...

Hi,... My name is Vlad Yorfire from Indonesia,.... Keep on the Darkness,...!
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 23rd, 2009 03:07 am (UTC) (Link)
There actually is a satan who is at war with Jesus christ of nazareth. And jesus will forgive you for everything just if you believe him.

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