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God or Satan?

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Why the bitterness?

(Anonymous)
It looks like alot is in your life, just as everyone else in this world has something going on in thier life aswell. In your essay or writing you say "Christian satan", Well there's no buddist satan or catholic satan or Islam satan, But only one and people portray satan as a powerful being on earth. But really hes only here to terroris and corrupt, THe reason why satan is only one being (but has helpers, Demons)because he is also created by God and a creation is a creation. I'm not sure how you prayed to God, but it looks like you exulted God before you turned away from him and thats Good. Unlike alot of people who know there is a God, People tend to pray about worldly things like cars, money, Job, Relationship, and thats ok to pray for those things, But remember God is not a vending machine where, if you put so much Good things in you'll get a nice prize out. I hope you find Hope to find and search God again, I know that God will not forget you, thats the reason why we have love for one another.


Re: Why the bitterness?

I can't pray to God, because I don't believe in God. If I pretended to pray to God it would be a lie. I have tried to! The result was: I felt silly.

"I know that God will not forget you, thats the reason why we have love for one another"

People, like all higher animals, are capable of love due to our amazing biology, not due to God.

Saying God is the reason for love is a hurtful and untrue comment

And... why do you say "Why the bitterness?". The essay is a positive and practical one, I don't think it's bitter at all!

Hail Satan!

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Evil exists

(Anonymous)
God and Satan are the same.
Both represent evil in it's purest form.
Until we as a people, accept this, evil will prevail.
We must cast off this excuse for our own foul actions.
Gods and devils represent our own inadequacies. Once we
accept this, we stand a chance of achieving some form
of decency.
As long as God/Satan exists in our fantacies, we will
continue to excuse our own hatreds.
Lets kill this evil. NOW!
The future is ours.

Re: Evil exists

(Anonymous)
I have quoted your argument, then replied to each statement in bracketts ( like this)
Evil exists (Why? How? Origin?)
God and Satan are the same. (black is white, white is black?)(oh, and What God in particular?)
Both represent evil in it's purest form. (Though they oppose eachother and contradict eachother?)

Until we as a people, accept this, evil will prevail.

We must cast off this excuse for our own foul actions. (I don't use the existence of God as an excuse to perform evil, nor that of Satan.)
(Also, Define Evil. Where there is no opposites there is no contrast. If satan and umm... some god.. not sure which one... are both the same and represent evil, how can they be seperate entities? if there is no light, there is no dark. Also, what is defined as Good? Origin?)
Gods and devils represent our own inadequacies. ( now we have a plurality of entities that are in fact all the same, though this violates any religon that has any kind of dualistic basis, i.e. good vs evil,)

Once we accept this, we stand a chance of achieving some form
of decency. (how so? what outside influence will act on us to avoid the *evils* that come from a belief in *gods and devils*? Is it in us to find good? By who, or what's example?)

As long as God/Satan exists in our fantacies, we will
continue to excuse our own hatreds. (We now state that all these *entities* who's influence is the only means buy which we are led into evil are only fantacies, not real entities, how can they be so dangerous? What other fantacies must we also avoid? Or having, as you said, destroyed these *gods and devils*, we are now to take the responsability for our own actions, some of which must be inferred by your words, as unwanted, or *evils born from our own hearts and not from a *fantasy*, are we not still left with evil? So we get rid of *fantasies* that cause us to do evil, and now are left only with ourselves to blame and still possess the ability to perform evil acts.)

Lets kill this evil. NOW!
The future is ours. ( yes, you own your future, and all it's sins. removing *gods and devils* will not remove evil. Therefore, if evil resides and presides both in our imaginary beliefs in *God and Satan* and in ourselves after they are gone... the origin of evil is in fact US for it is we who do the believing, we who do the dreaming, we who own the fantasies and perform the actions, and must take responsability for them, If we are to *kill this evil, NOW!* then we must destroy ourselves to truly succeed. And isn't self preservation good and self destruction a greater evil then most? Your arguement leeds nowhere but back to the begining, back to you, and finally to a true Fantasticly Fatal form of intellectual suicide."

Go Back to the drawing board. Genesis chapter 1, and start again.

Ummm.... please read this......

(Anonymous)
A simple reduction to absurdium, a case of mental suicide and he even left a note behind for us to read. No attachment to any substantial or desirable philosophy other then a simple, *Oh hell with it, why waste a single iota of effort trying to investigate or substantiate the evidence for ANY religion, I would rather go mow the lawn."
If this is intended to make anyone think decisively and choose between *God or Satan* as the subject heading would have us believe, I think I will go have a long talk with my 2 year old son, as he may have a clearer picture of such a *pointless* topic.
If your going to establish anything that would make people decide to worship.... oh I forgot, satan doesn't want worship, or anything to do with us, hmmm... perhaps you see the absurdium? If he doesn't want us, what do we want him for? Let's use his *non-existence* to further the cause... and kill a few cats while we are at it.
My Advice; Continue to wallow in the greatness of your thoroughly conceived and excellently explained mental state of pre-death rigormortis, and you will indeed find out whether satan is, in fact real, and is, in fact, concerned about your welfare.
But I will save you the trouble of popping enough pills so your body is as dead as your intellect. The answer is; Yes, He does exist, and No, he has no concern for you.

Why am I writing this? Am i sooo impressed by my own faith system that i wander the nether regions of the internet to prose as a great wake up call to those who are asleep like unto death?
Probably. But then again, why shouldn't I? Is this rude? What right do i have to say these things? Why should you care what I think? Am i just a few words to laugh at? Most definately.
I am a Christian, and yet a realist. A Christian and yet not a pacifist. A Christian, and yet not some backwater baptist fanatic. I don't hate people, I hate seeing people disillusioned and deceived. I hate belief systems that have attached to them a one way ticket to hell.
I know My God, And He knows me, and is, In Fact, concerned about me. Read the Bible a little and you'll find out that Jesus used harsh words and harsh measures at times in order to WAKE THE DEAD. I have no hate. Believe what you will, but do so in a right mind and have SOME validation for your world views other then the absense of warm fuzzies or a lack or visual stimmulation.
Face The True God and be prepared.

And just go read John 3:16, most people know it.

God or Satan

(Anonymous)
Hi, im' not a satanist, nor am i wishing to become one. (I am in fact a shadow jedi of neither light nor dark) if you want a reason for me coming here then read on.
If you want to join Satan's army then be my guest, I did it, and i gained valuable knowledge into revenge, when you realise that Satan will never triumph over evil, but you don't want to go back to the light, join me as neither light nor darkness, nor both, nor neutral just be. If you know what i mean then join me Jin Katay, together we will balance our lives and the lives of those around us.

Re: God or Satan

(Anonymous)
yeh ur right. your statement made more sense in a way than any1 elses............the phrase " i just am" or "just be" is what everbody on this goddam planet should adopt, then every1 would accept eachother and there would be less war etc, thus getting rid of this so called satan. if ppl just accepted eachother then there would be less bullying in school, which would in turn stop the bullied subject growing into a psycho and eventually doing some of "satan"s work himself, if ya know what i mean. i go to church somtimes cos for some reason i get peace out of it, but i havnt yet been able to interpret this feeling of peace, and as far as i can see a lot of christians are very self-righteous ppl and segragate themselves from the outside world,believing they are better ppl. doing good things to some of them simply means earning brownie points from god. christians are basiccally taught to see themselves as different to other ppl, which at the end of the day, causes them to become a small tight-knit group and if u think about it, segregation is THE number one problem in the world today-- it leads to other "sins"...........see a pattern emerging here?

right........fuck god, fuck satan.......all you gotta do is look at all the heated discussions and wars the two bastards are causing us to have. we would be far better off without the both of them!
seriously, my point is that theres a measure of good and bad in all of us and ultimatly we are all one.when you think about it "god" and "satan" are both very primitive concepts of good and evil and belief in them is born out of a weak and narrow mind. most ppl feel the need to lable things and segregate them, and segragation is THE number one problem in the world today,and this is what religious ppl do......they conform to their oh so high and mighty religion and see themselves as "holier" than most other ppl. comformity is what causes wars, bullying, etc, and when ppl are bullied at a young age there is a danger that they will grow into social misfits and pyschopaths and do much of the so called "devil"s work themselves! we are all one. we are all special in our own way and all this world needs is ACCEPTANCE. we need to find a balance within ourselves, accept ourselves totally, then we will accept eachother and then slowly a new seed will grow, then the world would slowly heal, wars would cease and we could slowly start living in harmony.........but sadly this will probably never be. but shutting the fuck up about god and satan would be a start, dont you reckon?

god is good

(Anonymous)
dont knock GOD, He helped me through my life my dad is satanic and he tryed to kill me ,he raped me...
is this what you's do

Re: god is good

(Anonymous)
YES!!!! i agree i was too raped as a small child..so far in my life ive had ppl dying ive been tying to die so many times....*sarcasm* thanx god thank you for all the gifts you have brought us...i feel your pain...

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Enjoyable

(Anonymous)
Actually, if I could give you two thumbs up I would. that was enjoyable and accurate to say the least. The lady at the unemployment office said the same thing to me...

Thanks for the humor.
Beth

butterflies and tsunamis

(Anonymous)
A butterfly flaps its wings om a grassy plain in Mexico.Small currents of air are generated and gradually amplified. The amplification increase and become wind. The amplification continues to intensify as the wind travels across oceans and mountains, country to country, further and further, ultimately causing a tsunami in Japan.

THE CHAOS THEORY.

Hi,Vexen. I am Vernace. now reading on Chaos Theory~ hope you can check this theory out. It is pretty interesting.

Re: butterflies and tsunamis

Yeah, Chaos theory is fun, and the Butterfly flapping it's wings causing a tsunami in Japan is one the classic descriptions of the nature of the theory.

???

(Anonymous)
Yer messed up... seek help.

???

(Anonymous)
Hi, remember me, Solmarie???? You didn't answer my last email. I have a question, did you write God or satan essay??? If you did, I doubt you were a christian. A true christian doesn't change to another religion like you did. ANd why do satanists keep saying that satan as an entity doesn't exist? As God is real, so satan is. Satanists deny satan existence because they want people to fall in that lie. satanists feel envy against christians. The christianity I know, the Jesus I know is not another religion, is not religion at all. Is real joy and happiness, is real peace, comfort and life. We do not have to hide under a mask to say what we believe. We are not ashame of the name of Jesus. satanists are cowards, they hide themselves, they don't feel free to tell the world "hey, I'm a satanist" We are proud of what we are. I don't know the christianity you knew, probably human doctrines. True christians follow Jesus and they are not attach to human teachings and doctrines. satanism is like a big circus, fill with poor freaks, satan's muppets. We worship God because He is Good, He is Love and He gives us what we need. I keep praying for you so one day you can open your eyes and see the lie you are living. And also that you can know that Jesus died on a cross for you, shed His blood for you, loves you and is alive. satan is a fool,satanism is a weak imitation of christianity, they are not even original ( making a satanic bible, ssatanic church etc etc) those things are all imitations of the real good and original thing: Jesus and christianity. I will always pray for you................................your FRIEND... Solmarie
Hey, send me emails, don't forget about me

Re: ???

(Anonymous)
Hi, remember me, Solmarie???? You didn't answer my last email. I have a question, did you write God or satan essay??? If you did, I doubt you were a christian. A true christian doesn't change to another religion like you did.

What do you define by a "true christian"? P.S. Ad hominem.

ANd why do satanists keep saying that satan as an entity doesn't exist? As God is real, so satan is.

Well he doesn't believe that so u should PROVE it.

Satanists deny satan existence because they want people to fall in that lie.

prove it.

satanists feel envy against christians.

Ad hominem.

The christianity I know, the Jesus I know is not another religion, is not religion at all. Is real joy and happiness, is real peace, comfort and life. We do not have to hide under a mask to say what we believe.

Ad hominem.

We are not ashame of the name of Jesus. satanists are cowards, they hide themselves, they don't feel free to tell the world "hey, I'm a satanist"

Ad hominem.

We are proud of what we are. I don't know the christianity you knew, probably human doctrines.

Ad hominem.

True christians follow Jesus and they are not attach to human teachings and doctrines. satanism is like a big circus, fill with poor freaks, satan's muppets.

Ad hominem.

We worship God because He is Good, He is Love and He gives us what we need.

PROVE IT!!!

I keep praying for you so one day you can open your eyes and see the lie you are living. And also that you can know that Jesus died on a cross for you, shed His blood for you, loves you and is alive.

PROVE IT!!!

satan is a fool,satanism is a weak imitation of christianity, they are not even original ( making a satanic bible, ssatanic church etc etc)

So what? Christianity wasn't original either. (Ever hear of Judaism?)

those things are all imitations of the real good and original thing: Jesus and christianity. I will always pray for you................................your FRIEND... Solmarie
Hey, send me emails, don't forget about me

How we should busy our minds.

(Anonymous)
Can i just ask the question that so many people have avoided...why argue if you will never agree? I know that comes accross as a slightly defeatist point of view, but religious debates and arguements have caused so many devastating disputes and even all out war! What is missing from the mind of those who argue, is acceptance of others ways of thinking. This is the root cause of all evil(yes, it exists). When we cannot accept something, no matter how small or insignificant, we cannot live in harmony with ourselves or with others. This leads to hate, racism, facism etc. In future, instead of argueing and forcing our point of view on others, we should merely state our opinions and be willing to be wrong. When one takes into account the issues that we are argueing have so little evidence (the existence of god etc) to back them up, the very fact we are argueing over them is a watse of our time and effort. Just feel what you feel, think what you think, and live your own life.
p.s yo vexen dude, doesnt all that satan shit put girls offa you? or do you get those hella hot goth chix, GRRRRRR.

The conflict...

(Anonymous)
The conflict between religion and rational thought is concealed from children from the very beginning via an appeal to authority. This appeal to authority works, for some time, until the child begins to question the world around him. Why not save him the trouble, hardship and conflict by warning him about religion by teaching him that he should think rationally from the very beginning?

The wholesale rejection of organized religions in favor of creating one's own self-indulgent religion is not a valid spiritual search. But looking beyond the dogma and creeds in order to see the underlying spiritual message of each religion is a valid technique. For each religion of the world began as a revelation or spiritual enlightenment to the founders of that faith. It was only their later followers who built the dogma and institutions that caused separation and antagonism between religions and cultures.

Some of it (this subject) is about pondering over the fact that we're actually going to die. We're born into this world and we don't have a clue what it's about, no one does, really. Does the answer come clear when you die, or is that when you just go into a blackness? When you die, you don't know if your psyche goes back to being nothing or if nothing is the state that everything is in.


Here's some interesting reads

(Anonymous)
No army has ever marched off to war in the name of the Devil.-
http://www.truthbeknown.com/devil.htm

Did God Ordain The Holocaust?-
http://deoxy.org/godholoc.htm

Much more here http://deoxy.org/tcrime.htm and here http://deoxy.org/deoxy.htm
- Exo-psychology suggests that there are as many realities as there are neuro-anatomical structures for transceiving signals.

Be sure to check this out

(Anonymous)
BEWARE OF MONOTHEISM
http://deoxy.org/bom.htm

I don't know you, yet I think I love you.

Nothing much,

(Anonymous)
Hey Paul,
I just read your page "God or Satan"
you make some really interesting points, mostly about missconceptions that are present in today's society , its cool to see that. I don't want to bore you or waste your time but I was curious about some of your statements, for instance
you said "I know now there is no God" -see I don't understand this because in the difficulty a christian has in proving God,it is the same as A satanist, or marxist or existencialist will have in dissproving him. I mean can we really say "it is absolutely true that there is know God" I mean what about all the people who have a little bit of an intelligent mind and require absolute proof? I dont know I just think its as hard to dissprove it as it is to prove it,
See I was trying to be sneaky a bit in my oppening statement because the missconceptions that you have about today are people's views of christianity, for example; all the stuff you said about people having to go towards god acting like a worm and begging his forgiveness, all that is not in the Bible, Paul in romans says to "approach the throne with boldness" boldness because of what Jesuus, did. I understand your desire to be free but I don't think that will come within the freedom satan would offer. Jesus did a unique thing different from all other religions, through the cross anyone who recieves that gift of forgiveness, is spiritualy perfected at the beginning of their relation ship with him. meaning you start your journey perfected, and righteous in gods eyes because god appeased himself with Jesus' sacrafice, So there is no grovelling before the throne, we now because of Jesus can go up to God like a baby into his fathers arms. the coolest thing being that no matter how much you screw up he'll never get mad or change his love or acceptance of you, you'll always be saved, anyways , i 'm sorry to take your time,
oh by the way my name is Ian
if u want e-mail me back at
Sapient_johnson@hotmail.com

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god or satan

(Anonymous)
well i commpletly understand...i tried to fall back on religion and wasted my time praying...it got me no where. no place....i dont want some nice calm prick taht is gonna give me my answers. i do not want to rely on anyone ar anything...its fucking stupid...i want someone to tell me "i am not helping you if you want it you do it."

satan or god

(Anonymous)
well all this god shit is stupid...what is he gonna do about anything? not a damned effing thing thats for sure... all i rely on is myself, noone else and especially not some guy that is givu=ing me rules on how to live my damn life.... i a want some one to say...fuck you im not gonna help you. what the hell am i gonna get out of this anyway?...thats basically incouragement if you look at it from my perspective. i dont do anything at all except talk to ppl about what i feel when they ask and write my life away...its inevitable everything dies anyways so why even try to stop it? look at it as a new journey. if anyone wants to talk to me...or if you want to email me id be fucking happy!! my email is...pimpdonutqueen@aol.com

READ THIS

(Anonymous)
ok, i dont understand how anyone could believe that satan is our God, only Jesus and God are the only ones we should worship, and i hope u all undestand, if u think God hasnt done anything in your life...then maybe thats becuz u dont believe in him, huh...if u give praise to him, he will show u a great life...if u think im lying maybe you should try it...maybe a few prayers here or there and maybe try a church, maybe talk to a paster or a preist or a bishop about your problems....they will help u..i can promise that~

Re: READ THIS

(Anonymous)
Apparently you havent read shit. Did you see the word satan and decid that you would be jesuss little worrior. I pray to god for you demise lol

questioning

(Anonymous)
I am interested in the possibilities satanism may provide w.r.t hedonism. However i find some of the arguments presented in various internet pages discouraging. i know i'm naieve about these things.
e.g Christians will turn the other cheek: surely mass warfare and the design and implementation of sophisticated weapons of destruction (i.e nuclear, chemical, biological) which can be used by theastic peoples in good conscious would negate this argument. Are not the monotheastic religions an excellent example of destroying people who have "annoyed" you in your lair.
e.g. The main religions require you to lick the arse of god while asking for for favours. Surely "God" is the creator of infinite Sun's, has given us the "freewill" for infinite torture's and unasked for miseries. I have agreed/support the Irish Republican arguments for years. A particular group the INLA has used retribution methods which are in line with your doctrines since its' inception. Many of these people are agnostic, communist,& baptised catholic(although like myself non-believers).
e.g. Freewill & Sex, if were lucky were all at it and feeling good.
e.g Death is a victory for satanism(possibly over god) death drives evolution, with limited resources (on earth) death is absolutely necessary, death is overblown because of human(& elephant") reaction to it, we are animals.

This is not an attack on satanism. I'm an out an out hedonist (with all (hopefully) it entails. A qualified Marine Bioligst. Not an outsider or inferior (looking for something to readdress the balance) in social circumstances. From what i can see all the pure practising people in your beliefs are non satanists, are you sweeping up the debris?
This is a genuine enquiry, have no axe to grind & would genuinely love to be enlightened (lucifer?).
Glen.

Please, dont be a satanist.

(Anonymous)
Anyone who has lost faith in God must have had something really bad happen. I never used to be religious, you know, I prayed to God now and then and was a nice person but that was it. I was baptised Catholic. Then I hit high school, got bullied severely by everyone. I was constantly bashed, spat on, made fun of, humiliated and teased. I made the choice then to become a christian. It seemed I had no one to turn to, so I tried God. In the start of the next year I was told we were moving far, far away (four hours) from my school so I would be attending a small christian college. It has opened up my eyes to God even more and made me realise I have been saved. Although I feel I have already been saved from hell (my old school). As a 13 year old I made my own choice to become a christian and I have never looked back or regretted it. My philosiphy on christianity is this: I'm not sure what God is or if he exists for sure but one thing I know is that believing in him makes us better people. Please consider this before you waste your life on satanism. You may think us christians are bible-bashers and so on, so forth but that's just not true. All the kids at our school all have more fun than at any other school. So in conclusion I leave you with this: Commit yourself to God and pray to him and watch things grow in your life.

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Don't forget I live in a non-religious country, UK, and I hardly actually know many people who were brought up to believe in God. It's not true, therefore, that "something bad" had to happen to "make" me stop believing... it's the other way round... somethings HAS to happen to make me believe something... I don't take beliefs, or truth, lightly and consider them to be sacrosanct... therefore my beliefs are grounded firmly in common sense, intelligence and a continual effort to understand truth.

Contribute to my effort and perhaps put forward an argument as to why you think god(s) exist... otherwise, you're rhetoric has been a waste of time.

curious

(Anonymous)
I have a question, where you a christian? If so, what made you change your mind about God?


I was never a Christian, I was raised with no religious beliefs in a country with very few religious beliefs. Therefore my Satanism is not a reaction against any particular religion; but merely (for me) an exercise in self-development and sociology.

Why I am a Satanist?
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/testimonies/vexen.html

Religion in Britain:
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/rib.html

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They Can Both Go To Hell

(Anonymous)
I never quite thought of it like that. Good one! An illustration that will come in handy! Thanks Vexen.

There are things much greater than 'they'.


ps - I tried the URL, but got this garbage:

http://64.233.191.26/apps/epa/epa?cid=shnv9887&s=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.users.bigpond.com%2Fpmurray%2Findex-2.html

Reality

(Anonymous)
In order to recieve help, 1st one must be able to help themself. Things don't magically appear if you can't help yourself.

Its all just a bad dream....

(Anonymous)
God is a fassad put on by people thousands of years ago because they thought we needed a "push" to act a cirtain way...kind of like santa (if your are not good you will recieve no gifts). This idea is really not a bad one, I see it work in small children all the time and it would work for everyone if they could take somthing for what it is and not tediously break it down and fuck it up. I see the writing of the bible as a few guys sitting around in a living room stoned off their asses thinking of ways to make the world a "better place". How does anyone have the right to say god or satan or budah or any other god is correct, if a satanist wants to be happy but not have a blindfold on to deter him from being happy why does he walk around looking like a twat where he will only be detered that way. Mabe Deicide (the best death metal band of all time) says it best Free of their god, intelligence won Go with your instinct to live as you want No longer begging for mercy from thieves They can't come near you, through them you can see Keep to the outside the teachings of christ Denounce the father, undo his disguise Meaning why let a god that no one can rule the way you think, and keep you from doing pleasurable things...read the bible, its a giant book telling you that you are wrong for thinking somting is good. Im not in any way homo sexual nor have i ever felt any emotions for a male. BUT, who is god to say some one is wrong for feeling a feeling that HE puts into your mind. I said this to a very devout christian once and he replied, "its gods test my son". Well you know what, i cant make my self believe in a fictional "boogey man" nor a total punk that only wants pain for those who seek him out. Why try to find the correct god...its a game of gambling, there are hundreds of religions that all say, you will recieve the ultimate punishment if you do not choose me. I say skrew religion and try to live you life as what you know is a good set of morals, its called a conscious and the reason religion was "thought up" was because people are ass holes who only think of them selves so some one made this bright idea up which has only lead to death, misery, war, and the genocide of races, mabe all of them....

Re: Its all just a bad dream....

(Anonymous)
Prove it!
If you're trying to "work things out" with your literal-thinking brain < That can't nearly have as much knowledge as God almighty I don't want to hear it!
I want some facts and actual research done!
If I decide one day that the sky is yellow, does that make it yellow?? < You answer that question!

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