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Alien Elite, Elitism and Superman in Satanism

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skull & bones

(Anonymous)
are skull and bones satanist? Are they using satanic horned hand greetings?

i think it is a wrong approach to draw a line and say,these ar inferior people,and we are the elite.I had such thoughts myself,in fact,if i had the ability i would have killed or at least separated them from "us",but then I realized that,first of all there is nothing besides your way of thinking that could say you're elite,and second,derived from the first,that those people who think "in a bad way" can not be held responsible for their way of thinking,there isn't a quality which you could isolate and say: I have it and i am responsible for having it (and so are you for not having it)and this is the cause of my superior thoughts,so make yourself on the way and find it...because even you don't know why you got these thoughts,you just have them,i mean there isn't a way to induce s/thing if it isn't present in you,and these people obviously lack some qualities,and the worst is,not do they only lack these things but they lack the need to get them,the haven't got any motivation,they can be held responsible only for not thinking critically and for ignorance towards other ways of thinking than their own.At this state it is the duty of the "enlightened ones" to help arise the inferior ones,because we don't want to rule them,(only ppl with inferiority complexes want to do so...)we just want to live our lives more "effectively"(and without fewer (none) restrictions) than it is possible today.And this is the only way because they never will arise from their own power,and as long as this doesn't happen,we will be forced to live under such miserable circumstances. soma

It doesn't matter what the reasons are for a persons' superiority. As I believe our character and personality are a result of nature and nurture, I think we all ultimately have little choice in what we become. But nonetheless, there are elite people who out-perform everyone else, and the greats of history are testimony to the fact that such people arise seemingly randomly, from any walk of life.

Education, positive thinking and good lifestyle choices are some of the main ways that I personally use to try and rise up people around me, however, I've found that there is at least a stupid, inferior half of humanity that is so sheep-like and lifeless that they can never be stimulated to do anything but watch TV and rot away.

Good points.
However, the so-called elite,superior,alien,special,etc, are not all Satanists or LHPers either.
the Superman principle knows not only no race/ethnicity, but also knows no religious/irreligious label.

By The Light of Lucifer
Hail Satan

IN REASON:
Bill B.

Vexen I challenge your views

(Anonymous)
Vexen

"Education, positive thinking and good lifestyle choices are some of the main ways that I personally use to try and rise up people around me,"

I would call that statement snobbish and ignorant in the extreme.
Or is this just a bad ironic joke?

"I've found that there is at least a stupid, inferior half of humanity that is so sheep-like and lifeless that they can never be stimulated to do anything but watch TV and rot away"

I do agree that of course that there are some unintelligent people in the world.
However I have to ask you.
What makes you think you are superior to them?
Im not suggesting you are inferior (a label you are so keen to give other people) I am genuinely interested in how you came to form this opinion of yourself.







You don't have to be a charismatic leader, or even be pretty, to be among the elite. There are many levels of influence.

I think the notion of a 'Satanic Elite' is at best something of an oversimplification (at worst it seems little more than a convenient crutch for the insecure). I've always been slightly wary of any idea that tries to divide the vast sphere of humanity into 'us' and 'them'.

Mark

I agree to a degree w/what Vxen said above a couple posts ago.
However, I also agree w/what you have just said Mark.
If there is such a thing as an "elite", in my personal opinion it is anyone whom is truly freethinking, not JUST Satanists and so-called LHPers{though "some" of these people are among the freethinkers}.
The fact that many of these so-called "elite'{or special people in history} have been not satanic or even LHP, but of other freethought varieties, and that not all modern Satanists and so-called LHPers{including "some" whom are high up/wellknown, respected/etc/ in the satanic heirarchy} are truly freethinking but are just creating whole other herd and sheep mentality;
these facts tell me that the idea that Satanists/ and so-called LHP-ers are especially "alien" or especially "elite" is only a half-truth; and it creates in me a respect of considering fullymy equal ANYONE whom is truly freethinking{whether they share all my personal views or not}.

By the Light of Lucifer
Hail Satan

IN REASON:
Bill B.

I agree w/you Vexen. You're a good example...

(Anonymous)
I have some thoughts on the concept of the "alien elite", which Imay address at some other point in time.
However,for now, I wanted to tell you Vexen that I agree w/your opposition to Laveys idea of the police state menatlity,and your position on dropping seeds as opposed to saying "you know what, your stupid, you're inferior".
Your ability to question some of the things said,done,beleived, by Lavey and other prominent Satanists{whilst still giving them the credit due them} is inspiring.
You are a logical,balanced, and mature Satanist, I think this is what has caused me to come to respect you so much.
You indeed, embody what I personally believe is what Satanism is{or should be} about.
As always Vexen, keep up the good work.
W/respects:
By the enlightenment of Lucifer
In Reason:
Bill B.

Elitism

(Anonymous)
I think you are right about elitism and the dominant 5% in soceity. Most people are led by the herd mentality due to their insecurities. Not only taht but this people hate anyform of perfection what so ever. If you are at the top in some of your charateristics (like your attractiveness as I am) you find it brings out the darkside in peoples behavour. By this I mean not only do people lie, bitch and cheat, given the opportunity they'd even have you up for murder if they thought they could get away with it. How are the elite supposed to survive in a soceity which favours the weak and where the weak discriminate against the perfect?
Also I don't think hierachy works either. How are the elite to rise above the weak when they so insecure about themselves. Insecure people tend to be possesive in nature and if they know your better than them you will never get anywhere.

I belive you are inferior because you have different beliefs/are less intelligent/attractive/freethinking than I.

All of you people who think yourselves elite make me laugh.
The majority of people are capable of free thought you are not a superman minority get over yourselves.

Everybody has something to offer even the so called inferior.
If they were all killed/segregated you would most likely go into meltdown because there would be no one to lord it over or look down on.

It seems to me the oranised religion/herd mentality you so despise is actually what most of you are embracing.

4 paragraphs:

1) That's not elitism, that's ignorant snobbery.

2) Free thought is something that has to be experienced, not preached.

3) I agree.

4) No it's not.

Vexen

"Education, positive thinking and good lifestyle choices are some of the main ways that I personally use to try and rise up people around me,"

I would call that statement snobbish and ignorant in the extreme.
Or is this just a bad ironic joke?

"I've found that there is at least a stupid, inferior half of humanity that is so sheep-like and lifeless that they can never be stimulated to do anything but watch TV and rot away"

I do agree that of course that there are some unintelligent people in the world.
However I have to ask you.
What makes you think you are superior to them?
Im not suggesting you are inferior (a label you are so keen to give other people) I am genuinely interested in how you came to form this opinion of yourself.




First quote:

I associate "snobbish" with a kind of upper-class traditional obnoxiousness; I can't call my statement "snobbish". If that's the sense you use it, then so be it, I won't try to defend my own motives. My statement is optimistic, a little naive, and stubborn; but I think it is enlightened, not ignorant.

Second quote:

It is a statistical tautology that half of everyone is below average intelligence. But, I think that the vast majority of people are vast underachievers because they're not brought up in a culture (not in the UK, anyway) that considers intelligence to be good. In contrast, the young adults of Hong Kong and Nepal (to use two examples I've first-hand experience of) are keen, intelligent, over-achievers who work very hard simply because in their culture intelligence is respected; all the Ghurkas and Cantonese are excellent scholars - even the stupid ones try much harder than any of their English peers. I am not part of trash culture so have not suffered the negative peer pressure that British youth face.

I am superior in many areas and inferior in others - the same is true for everyone. For example I'm not good at socializing amongst most people. Many of my trash-culture-extreme workmates are excellent socializers (except with gays & foreigners); everyone has different talents. It's just that some (trash culture acolytes) are brought up to be actively stupid in most areas of life and to resent intelligence & responsible behaviour.

I could see myself as so elite I consider myself a god or a saviour of mankind; or I could see myself as a humble slightly dysfunctional self-help writer; I don't see how my self-perception affects the truthfulness of what I'm saying.

Why are you asking questions about me and not about the text itself?

Really?

(Anonymous)
My interpretation of snobbish is believing yourself to be superior to anyone else.
You believe that you need to rise above the people around you?
The people around you are beneath you?
I believe it is dangerous to view yourself as being of more value than other people.
From what I have read of your essays it appears to me that you have written vast swathes of people off as being ‘sheep’.
I believe it is such a shame you underestimate what a person is capable of and perhaps miss what they have to offer.
Embrace the sheep you might find they surprise you with their intellect!

Again I am not disputing the fact that there are unintelligent people in the world some excruciatingly so.
I myself am just scraping average intelligence.
I agree that many people are not achieving their full potential.
As I attended a bog standard school government funded school and have lived on a council estate all my life I probably qualify in your eyes as part of the British youth you somewhat negatively label trash culture.

I found that it was not peer pressure that prevented many of my classmates achieving their potential I never was made to feel knowledge was a bad thing quite the opposite in fact.
It was the school which we attended with 30 students in each class the teachers we had could not possibly help every one of us to our full potential. Our teachers tended to concentrate on either the least able or the brightest students. As a result the students of medium ability were left to their own devices.
Well bully for the superior cultures who lord intelligence. Yay for them!
I don’t believe that people of British culture look down on intelligence .

You preach telling people not to be closed minded yet you write of thousands of people as being trash culture I find this deeply offensive. Perhaps you would find it easier to socialise if you stop looking down your nose at people . I believe if I ever met you I would despise you. I find your opinion of your workmates abhorrent, yes perhaps they have prejudices against gays and foreigners but you also have prejudices against people of so called trash culture like me.
I bet they also are a lot more fun than you and your bloated self-worth.

I asked questions about your self perception has because everything to do with your opinion of others.

> You believe that you need to rise above the
> people around you?
> The people around you are beneath you?

Worldliness, wisdom, direction and other greater things cannot be achieved by constantly living in the pointless world that most people live in. The idle, mundane interests that take up the majority of peoples' lives are infectious wastes of human minds.

Culture is limiting: Every culture has strengths and weaknesses. Rising above your own culture (viewing the people around you in a more long-term way, analysing the actions of societies) and rising above to get a greater picture is something that you need to do to avoid being swallowed by the daily hypnotizing chatter of small minds.

No-one is written off... I work (as my job) with the worst elements of humankind, when I could very easily retreat into academic circles and give up on them all. I educate, teach, make friends and encourage even the most hopeless.

I went to public school too; run-down Lincoln city primary and secondary schools full of crime, violence and neglect. I lived on the worst council estates in Lincoln for 6 years, and in small farming towns in Yorkshire and Norfolk for many more years; and I resisted every element of the abuse I was surrounded with.

You can't use a persons' upbringing to judge their lives, you can only use their present actions and choices. I was raised for 16 years in trash culture, then escaped into independent life. Anyone can rise; people are not dogmatically abandoned.

All my classes had similar teacher:student numbers as yours... believe me when I say that I, of all people, know that upbringing does not by itself determine outcome. People have choice and can use their will to change themselves.

Thousands of people *are* trash culture, I'm afraid, and however much it's not nice it's still true.

They don't merely have "prejudices" but they act them out, sometimes violently. But as I've said, I do work with the worst. Most aren't as bad; and I have similar friends, who believe in people, who have worked in worse conditions than me (e.g., a youth correctional prison in London).

OK, if you are saying that UK does not suffer from trash culture, how do you explain why our crime rates, violent crimes, rubbish on the streets, xenophobia, education and antisocial behaviour is worse than most other European nations? In some areas we're even worse than the USA. All of these are symptoms of what? How do you explain it?

Re: Really?

(Anonymous)
WHEN A TRADGIC EVENT HAPPENS,THATS WHEN YOUR TRUE SELF IS SHOWN.RACISIM IS A CONSCIOUS DECCESION.YOU WANT TO BE THAT WAY,YOU BELEAVE THAT YOU BELONG TO A GROUP.HATE TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE,DO YOU REMMEMBER 911 AND THE FOOTAGE ON THE NEWS.THE PEOPLE RUNNING IN THE STREET AND FALLING DOWN AS OTHERS HELPED THEM UP.HOW MANY WHERE WHITE AND BLACK.THAT IS WHEN YOUR TRUE SELVE"S ARE EXSPOSED,YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS OR INSTINCT.YOU CANT RUN FROM YOUR SELF,YOU ARE NOT WHAT YOU PROJECT.IF YOU WANT TO HATE,SO BE IT BUT DO YOU THINK THEY KNOW,NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO THERE YOU ARE.TAKE CARE

Hold on a minute....

(Anonymous)
Now... I might have shit thrown at me when I say, "I'm a Satanist", which I whole-heartedly beleieve I am! But the following idea I'm about to present is what divides me with the LaVayen Community.

I am... a Master, for lack of better terms. My brain hold a flood of information. I'm a Marxist (fully versed), I'm a Jungian/Reichian Psychologist (fully versed) and I hold many deep scientific beliefs on the soul etc.
I am the local leader of a fine body of youth. And I will say with full confidence that I have brought something special into their lives. If not for me, many of them would be worse off and going about their normal ignorant ways. These youth (and some "adults" as they dare call themselves) represent a larg faction of society. They're only starting to unlock their real potential because they have a source!
Buddhist countries like Tibet are largely full of enlightened (or "elite") people like you see as a small section of humanity.
The reason why most of humanity is inferior?
Because of abuse in earlier life. Because of Capitalist draining.
The abuse people suffer, to help you grasp an idea. Think of LaVey's social laws of freedom of thought, freedom of sexuality etc. These are all required by the human to be able to express itself. When these freedoms are taken away we develope complexes, and ultimately we stop trying to fix them. When the Capitalist system drains someone, it demands we squallor and scrape just for the right to eat. This is slavery! And humans can't develope under slavery. The most productive beings to humanity were those who weren't always focusing on monitary issues and basic survival. When these two forms of abuse are present, and as horrific as they are in our society today they render people complacent and unable to grow and learn. And of course, without some survival concerns and abuse we react in the same way. Thus you have spoiled brats, like Paris Hilton.
The result of my thesis is: Provide the chance, give them the opportunity to catch up... THEN kill them.

The LaVeyan social plan is... IDEALISTIC! It's imaginary that you can create this race without creating fucking morons like Paris Hilton, or that Yob that won the Lotto in Britain not too long ago.

I'd love to expand on this debate elsewhere if anyone's interested. Let's EVOLVE TOGETHER!

- Agent Black Lynx Fillmore, www.welcometomachine.cjb.net

I find your group mentality dissapointing. Unless each one of you is merely using each other as a means to an end, in which case fair enough. It just seems you are bound by the need to surround yourself with like minded individuals who understand you, just the same as everyone else. It seems to me that you want acceptance and reassurance from each other, your 'elite' group, like a family. Repulsive.

Instead of 'us against them' it should be each for themselves. I'll take what I can get from anyone and leave the rest for dead.

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