From: (Anonymous)	Date: April 15th, 2003 11:54 am (UTC)		(Link)
skull & bones

are skull and bones satanist? Are they using satanic horned hand greetings?

From: (Anonymous)	Date: June 8th, 2003 01:11 pm (UTC)		(Link)

i think it is a wrong approach to draw a line and say,these ar inferior people,and we are the elite.I had such thoughts myself,in fact,if i had the ability i would have killed or at least separated them from "us",but then I realized that,first of all there is nothing besides your way of thinking that could say you're elite,and second,derived from the first,that those people who think "in a bad way" can not be held responsible for their way of thinking,there isn't a quality which you could isolate and say: I have it and i am responsible for having it (and so are you for not having it)and this is the cause of my superior thoughts,so make yourself on the way and find it...because even you don't know why you got these thoughts,you just have them,i mean there isn't a way to induce s/thing if it isn't present in you,and these people obviously lack some qualities,and the worst is,not do they only lack these things but they lack the need to get them,the haven't got any motivation,they can be held responsible only for not thinking critically and for ignorance towards other ways of thinking than their own.At this state it is the duty of the "enlightened ones" to help arise the inferior ones,because we don't want to rule them,(only ppl with inferiority complexes want to do so...)we just want to live our lives more "effectively"(and without fewer (none) restrictions) than it is possible today.And this is the only way because they never will arise from their own power,and as long as this doesn't happen,we will be forced to live under such miserable circumstances. soma

	From: vexen	Date: June 10th, 2003 01:50 am (UTC)		(Link)

It doesn't matter what the reasons are for a persons' superiority. As I believe our character and personality are a result of nature and nurture, I think we all ultimately have little choice in what we become. But nonetheless, there are elite people who out-perform everyone else, and the greats of history are testimony to the fact that such people arise seemingly randomly, from any walk of life.

Education, positive thinking and good lifestyle choices are some of the main ways that I personally use to try and rise up people around me, however, I've found that there is at least a stupid, inferior half of humanity that is so sheep-like and lifeless that they can never be stimulated to do anything but watch TV and rot away.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: May 5th, 2005 09:38 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Good points.
However, the so-called elite,superior,alien,special,etc, are not all Satanists or LHPers either.
the Superman principle knows not only no race/ethnicity, but also knows no religious/irreligious label.

By The Light of Lucifer
Hail Satan

IN REASON:
Bill B.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: January 13th, 2006 08:17 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Vexen I challenge your views

Vexen

"Education, positive thinking and good lifestyle choices are some of the main ways that I personally use to try and rise up people around me,"

I would call that statement snobbish and ignorant in the extreme.
Or is this just a bad ironic joke?

"I've found that there is at least a stupid, inferior half of humanity that is so sheep-like and lifeless that they can never be stimulated to do anything but watch TV and rot away"

I do agree that of course that there are some unintelligent people in the world.
However I have to ask you.
What makes you think you are superior to them?
Im not suggesting you are inferior (a label you are so keen to give other people) I am genuinely interested in how you came to form this opinion of yourself.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: January 31st, 2005 06:59 am (UTC)		(Link)

You don't have to be a charismatic leader, or even be pretty, to be among the elite. There are many levels of influence.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: May 5th, 2005 07:44 pm (UTC)		(Link)

I think the notion of a 'Satanic Elite' is at best something of an oversimplification (at worst it seems little more than a convenient crutch for the insecure). I've always been slightly wary of any idea that tries to divide the vast sphere of humanity into 'us' and 'them'.

Mark

From: (Anonymous)	Date: May 5th, 2005 09:35 pm (UTC)		(Link)

I agree to a degree w/what Vxen said above a couple posts ago.
However, I also agree w/what you have just said Mark.
If there is such a thing as an "elite", in my personal opinion it is anyone whom is truly freethinking, not JUST Satanists and so-called LHPers{though "some" of these people are among the freethinkers}.
The fact that many of these so-called "elite'{or special people in history} have been not satanic or even LHP, but of other freethought varieties, and that not all modern Satanists and so-called LHPers{including "some" whom are high up/wellknown, respected/etc/ in the satanic heirarchy} are truly freethinking but are just creating whole other herd and sheep mentality;
these facts tell me that the idea that Satanists/ and so-called LHP-ers are especially "alien" or especially "elite" is only a half-truth; and it creates in me a respect of considering fullymy equal ANYONE whom is truly freethinking{whether they share all my personal views or not}.

By the Light of Lucifer
Hail Satan

IN REASON:
Bill B.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: May 5th, 2005 09:28 pm (UTC)		(Link)
I agree w/you Vexen. You're a good example...

I have some thoughts on the concept of the "alien elite", which Imay address at some other point in time.
However,for now, I wanted to tell you Vexen that I agree w/your opposition to Laveys idea of the police state menatlity,and your position on dropping seeds as opposed to saying "you know what, your stupid, you're inferior".
Your ability to question some of the things said,done,beleived, by Lavey and other prominent Satanists{whilst still giving them the credit due them} is inspiring.
You are a logical,balanced, and mature Satanist, I think this is what has caused me to come to respect you so much.
You indeed, embody what I personally believe is what Satanism is{or should be} about.
As always Vexen, keep up the good work.
W/respects:
By the enlightenment of Lucifer
In Reason:
Bill B.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: November 22nd, 2005 07:46 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Elitism

I think you are right about elitism and the dominant 5% in soceity. Most people are led by the herd mentality due to their insecurities. Not only taht but this people hate anyform of perfection what so ever. If you are at the top in some of your charateristics (like your attractiveness as I am) you find it brings out the darkside in peoples behavour. By this I mean not only do people lie, bitch and cheat, given the opportunity they'd even have you up for murder if they thought they could get away with it. How are the elite supposed to survive in a soceity which favours the weak and where the weak discriminate against the perfect?
Also I don't think hierachy works either. How are the elite to rise above the weak when they so insecure about themselves. Insecure people tend to be possesive in nature and if they know your better than them you will never get anywhere.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: January 7th, 2006 06:15 pm (UTC)		(Link)

I belive you are inferior because you have different beliefs/are less intelligent/attractive/freethinking than I.

All of you people who think yourselves elite make me laugh.
The majority of people are capable of free thought you are not a superman minority get over yourselves.

Everybody has something to offer even the so called inferior.
If they were all killed/segregated you would most likely go into meltdown because there would be no one to lord it over or look down on.

It seems to me the oranised religion/herd mentality you so despise is actually what most of you are embracing.

	From: vexen	Date: January 7th, 2006 06:31 pm (UTC)		(Link)

4 paragraphs:

1) That's not elitism, that's ignorant snobbery.

2) Free thought is something that has to be experienced, not preached.

3) I agree.

4) No it's not.

From: (Anonymous)	Date: January 20th, 2006 08:10 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Vexen

"Education, positive thinking and good lifestyle choices are some of the main ways that I personally use to try and rise up people around me,"

I would call that statement snobbish and ignorant in the extreme.
Or is this just a bad ironic joke?

"I've found that there is at least a stupid, inferior half of humanity that is so sheep-like and lifeless that they can never be stimulated to do anything but watch TV and rot away"

I do agree that of course that there are some unintelligent people in the world.
However I have to ask you.
What makes you think you are superior to them?
Im not suggesting you are inferior (a label you are so keen to give other people) I am genuinely interested in how you came to form this opinion of yourself.

	From: vexen	Date: January 21st, 2006 09:52 am (UTC)		(Link)

First quote:

I associate "snobbish" with a kind of upper-class traditional obnoxiousness; I can't call my statement "snobbish". If that's the sense you use it, then so be it, I won't try to defend my own motives. My statement is optimistic, a little naive, and stubborn; but I think it is enlightened, not ignorant.

Second quote:

It is a statistical tautology that half of everyone is below average intelligence. But, I think that the vast majority of people are vast underachievers because they're not brought up in a culture (not in the UK, anyway) that considers intelligence to be good. In contrast, the young adults of Hong Kong and Nepal (to use two examples I've first-hand experience of) are keen, intelligent, over-achievers who work very hard simply because in their culture intelligence is respected; all the Ghurkas and Cantonese are excellent scholars - even the stupid ones try much harder than any of their English peers. I am not part of trash culture so have not suffered the negative peer pressure that British youth face.

I am superior in many areas and inferior in others - the same is true for everyone. For example I'm not good at socializing amongst most people. Many of my trash-culture-extreme workmates are excellent socializers (except with gays & foreigners); everyone has different talents. It's just that some (trash culture acolytes) are brought up to be actively stupid in most areas of life and to resent intelligence & responsible behaviour.

I could see myself as so elite I consider myself a god or a saviour of mankind; or I could see myself as a humble slightly dysfunctional self-help writer; I don't see how my self-perception affects the truthfulness of what I'm saying.

Why are you asking questions about me and not about the text itself?

From: (Anonymous)	Date: January 28th, 2006 12:14 pm (UTC)		(Link)
Really?

My interpretation of snobbish is believing yourself to be superior to anyone else.
You believe that you need to rise above the people around you?
The people around you are beneath you?
I believe it is dangerous to view yourself as being of more value than other people.
From what I have read of your essays it appears to me that you have written vast swathes of people off as being ‘sheep’.
I believe it is such a shame you underestimate what a person is capable of and perhaps miss what they have to offer.
Embrace the sheep you might find they surprise you with their intellect!

Again I am not disputing the fact that there are unintelligent people in the world some excruciatingly so.
I myself am just scraping average intelligence.
I agree that many people are not achieving their full potential.
As I attended a bog standard school government funded school and have lived on a council estate all my life I probably qualify in your eyes as part of the British youth you somewhat negatively label trash culture.

I found that it was not peer pressure that prevented many of my classmates achieving their potential I never was made to feel knowledge was a bad thing quite the opposite in fact.
It was the school which we attended with 30 students in each class the teachers we had could not possibly help every one of us to our full potential. Our teachers tended to concentrate on either the least able or the brightest students. As a result the students of medium ability were left to their own devices.
Well bully for the superior cultures who lord intelligence. Yay for them!
I don’t believe that people of British culture look down on intelligence .

You preach telling people not to be closed minded yet you write of thousands of people as being trash culture I find this deeply offensive. Perhaps you would find it easier to socialise if you stop looking down your nose at people . I believe if I ever met you I would despise you. I find your opinion of your workmates abhorrent, yes perhaps they have prejudices against gays and foreigners but you also have prejudices against people of so called trash culture like me.
I bet they also are a lot more fun than you and your bloated self-worth.

I asked questions about your self perception has because everything to do with your opinion of others.

	From: vexen	Date: February 8th, 2006 09:12 pm (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: Really? 1/2

> You believe that you need to rise above the
> people around you?
> The people around you are beneath you?

Worldliness, wisdom, direction and other greater things cannot be achieved by constantly living in the pointless world that most people live in. The idle, mundane interests that take up the majority of peoples' lives are infectious wastes of human minds.

Culture is limiting: Every culture has strengths and weaknesses. Rising above your own culture (viewing the people around you in a more long-term way, analysing the actions of societies) and rising above to get a greater picture is something that you need to do to avoid being swallowed by the daily hypnotizing chatter of small minds.

No-one is written off... I work (as my job) with the worst elements of humankind, when I could very easily retreat into academic circles and give up on them all. I educate, teach, make friends and encourage even the most hopeless.

I went to public school too; run-down Lincoln city primary and secondary schools full of crime, violence and neglect. I lived on the worst council estates in Lincoln for 6 years, and in small farming towns in Yorkshire and Norfolk for many more years; and I resisted every element of the abuse I was surrounded with.

You can't use a persons' upbringing to judge their lives, you can only use their present actions and choices. I was raised for 16 years in trash culture, then escaped into independent life. Anyone can rise; people are not dogmatically abandoned.

	From: vexen	Date: February 8th, 2006 09:20 pm (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: Really?

All my classes had similar teacher:student numbers as yours... believe me when I say that I, of all people, know that upbringing does not by itself determine outcome. People have choice and can use their will to change themselves.

Thousands of people *are* trash culture, I'm afraid, and however much it's not nice it's still true.

They don't merely have "prejudices" but they act them out, sometimes violently. But as I've said, I do work with the worst. Most aren't as bad; and I have similar friends, who believe in people, who have worked in worse conditions than me (e.g., a youth correctional prison in London).

OK, if you are saying that UK