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Sociology, Theology, Anti-Religion and Exploration: Forcing Humanity Forwards


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Vexen Crabtree 2015
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Problems with Heaven

Problems with Heaven: Free Will and Evil


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Re: you are dumb!!!

"God works through us Christians. Why should He speak to everyone at once when we have the freedom to choose whether or not to accept Him?"

People only have a choice AFTER they know the facts. Why doesn't God give people the facts?

I wasn't "created", I am the process of other chemical processes, which have been going on for billions of years.

If you want to say, "I believe everything has a cause EXCEPT God" then what is the difference from me saying "Everything has a cause EXCEPT the Big Bang?". We both believe in ONE uncaused thing... your position is more illogical, though, because there's no proof of your cause but lots of proof of mine.

Re: you are dumb!!!

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"People only have a choice AFTER they know the facts."
-Except, when they flip a coin. They have a choice, heads or tails, fact-of-the-matter is, they don't KNOW how it's going to land, but they still have a choice.

"Why doesn't God give people the facts?"
-He does, they're in a book called: "The Bible"

"I wasn't "created"..."
-What is that supposed to mean? Are you questioning what the word "create" means? Does a printing press "create" newspapers? Does a stamp "create" coins? Do wombs "create" babies??

"...I am the process of other chemical processes..."
-The chemical proccesses that "created" you? Or the chemical processes that didn't "create" you?

"If you want to say, "I believe everything has a cause EXCEPT God" then..."
-Actually, I don't recall him (or her) saying that.

"...what is the difference from me saying "Everything has a cause EXCEPT the Big Bang?"."
-The difference is people aren't saying "Everything has a cause EXCEPT the Big Bang," they are actually saying "The Big Bang was caused by..."

"We both believe in ONE uncaused thing..."
-No, your's is suppoesed to have a cause.

"your position is more illogical, though..."
-But it's not. God does not have a cause, therefore there shouldn't be need for an explaination. The Big Bang is supposed to HAVE a cause... which is what? You don't know, which leaves you with something that YOU didn't explain, which means YOUR position is illogical.

"...because there's no proof of your cause but lots of proof of mine."
-Actually, there's no proff of yours.

hi

Um, Vexen, What would you say started the big bang?

i agree that people cannot choose if they dont have any knowledge of what they are choosing. Thats good sound logic. The bible says that God did not leave himself without witness in the world. I believe that He made everything and that just like an artwork tells a bit about the artist creation speaks about God. If you go and walk in the mountains or go for a surf then you have experienced something of God. I am guessing that you spend most of your time in the city, it looks that way from your picture (although you do remind me of Ed from Live)
Try go out to the country sometime,even if you dont believe in God, it might do you good, what do you have to loose

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