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Vexen Crabtree 2015


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Sociology, Theology, Anti-Religion and Exploration: Forcing Humanity Forwards

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Vexen Crabtree 2015

Problems with Heaven

Problems with Heaven: Free Will and Evil

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Re: vexen

Vexen. I'm interested in knowing why it is important for you to prove that there is no God if there isn't one. Is it just a hobby, are you trying to prove it to yourself or are you trying to help others to see the dull, depressing light that our lives are totally meaningless.

I believe that a good, loving God does exist. I believe that He showed that there is some "greater good" behind suffereing by choosing to suffer with us. Kind of like a mother giving up her kidney for her daughter, just much worse. I believe that God himself chose to allow us to murder Him, put him through increadible suffering, in order to prove his love to us.
Is it not possible that we are to focussed on our own suffering to think that God does suffer and did suffer, but that He endures it because of a "greater good" has come, is coming or will come?

For the same reasons that scientists always try to question and disprove *any* theory - from the theory of the Ether to Lamarkism, in order to find truth.

Because beliefs affect behaviour, I like beliefs to be questioned and examined thoroughly, including my own. Don't forget that debating the existence of God is of course challenging my own atheism as well as others' theism. I like people to at least acknowledge different possibilities, to be open-minded, inquisitive and intelligent.

God is all-knowing, it knows all suffering and knows exactly what suffering it, because God itself created suffering along with everything else. God required no body of Jesus in order to somehow "gain" knowledge of suffering: God is all-knowing. If the Christian idea of the Trinity is true, then Jesus also is all-knowing, and did not need a bodily incarnation in order to understand humanity or suffering.

The Incarnation & Crucifiction was not for the benefit of God:

Also, there is no suffering in heaven according to Christian beliefs. As God is in Heaven, God does not suffer.

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