Vexen Crabtree 2015


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Sociology, Theology, Anti-Religion and Exploration: Forcing Humanity Forwards

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Vexen Crabtree 2015

Theodicy essays

"The Problem of Evil: Why Would a Good God Create Suffering?" by Vexen Crabtree (2002)

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Atheistic Suicide

Quotations are yours, responses are mine:

"If there is no afterlife or reincarnation, then death is simply the permanent absence of consciousness."


"If life on earth is bad, then death is a blessing. You certainly subscribe to the theory that life is bad, at least that is what I take the statement, “Life is a game intended to draw out peoples' lives as much as possible, making them endure the maximum amount of pain that is logically possible...” to mean.(1)"

No. Life is good. The absoluteness of death means that we have to get as much out of life as possible. You referenced a quote from me (1), but, failed to notice that that statement is the theological mission of an evil creator god (if there is one), not my personal belief.

"Satan Represents Death" by Vexen Crabtree (2003) contains my personal views.

"Death is blessing in any life that has more bad in it than good and no consequences beyond death. The person who does not believe in god has no reason to believe there is an afterlife, and much less reason to believe that an afterlife would be any worse than this one."

No; a bad life is still better than being permanently dead. Atheists do not kill themselves any moment they become unhappy. Most people have a powerful biological instinct to want to live and carry on, and have the moral fortitude to do so.

If believing that this life is bad, or that there is no afterlife, led to increased suicide then this would be statistically obvious in suicide rates, so there would be evidence to back up your idea: Where is it?

"Suicide would be the most logical way to remove myself from the sufferings of a finite evil life."

No, not logical at all, because some happiness is better than no happiness, and even the most unfortunate and unlucky people in the world sometimes experience happiness. It is worth fighting on in all circumstances because we only get one shot at life, and, our actions might make things better for others (an ultimate feel-good goal) or ourselves. Suicide is the permanent onset of non-happiness, and to be honest, no-one with an ounce of common sense or emotional balance does it, no matter what their metaphysical beliefs about the universe are.

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