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Growing fundamentalism in the Church of England

Growing fundamentalism in the Church of England

True Anglicanism Isn't 'Liberal'

As a baptized and confirmed Anglican, and a relatively young person (early twenties), I have become increasingly concerned about the level of so-called 'liberalism' within the Anglican communion, and this article proves my worst fears about the potential future of this once great Christian organization. The church, as it stands today, is dying. In my view this is can be for one of two reasons: either A. God is testing the church or B. The church has too greatly aligned itself with the world. I fear both, but with increasing weight being placed on the latter with every passing year. Just as the world dies, a secular church will eventually die also. The rise of Christian fundamentalism is not and should not be interpreted as a threat to Anglicanism - rather the Anglican church should embrace this new found passion for serving Christ. Fundamentalism seems harsh only because it stands up to the world in the same way that the early church did (and was persecuted for). If the Church isn't Holy, there's no more reason to go on Sunday. Christ did not die for a excessively liberal and diluted form of man-made christianity. A church of that colour is only as alive as the gargoyles that adorn its aging cathedrals.

Re: True Anglicanism Isn't 'Liberal'

Religion has always been lower in bigger cities - it seems as cities continue to become bigger, the process continues (whatever it is) that causes religion to decline. Note this isn't just happening to the Church of England, but all forms of Christianity except the radical, middle-class American style of evangelism which is very much "aligned to the world" (it seems it's commercialism, politics and organized nature makes it successful).

If God is indeed the cause of the decline, why do you oppose it's will by remaining in the Church of England? If God does not want it to decline, then why *does* it decline? Your choice!


WCCC (World Conquerors Christian Centre),a fundamentalist, evangelical, pentecostal church, Lorne Street, Leith , Edinburgh, is run by Pastor Climate Irungu and his wife Jennifer. He is not qualified, and his church is not recognised by any ecclesiastical authority. His church does not give members access to financial accounts. Pastor Climate is a Satanist and devil-worshipper. His satanic rites can be witnessed in public at the car park on the top of Calton Hill, Edinburgh, on the last Friday of each month, generally between 2200 hours and 0100 hours. These rites are certainly not Christian, neither are they Biblical.

Re: Fundamentalism

i have been to wccc and all i can say is that it is not for me.
i think he is the most patronising preacher i've ever listened to.
i found some of the accounts of his life contradictory which made me find it difficult to go in and be ready to soak in what he was saying.
on the question of qualifications as a pastor on a personal level i believe God can use even the most illiterate people amongst us.
furthermore these 'professional' requirements have turned going into the ministry just like some other career and taken the element of annointing and calling out of the equation.
and then we turn aroung and ask why are churches being turned into pubs left, right and center. i dont mean this is the only reason but its part of the problem.
so pastor climates lack of orthodox training does not bother me at all.

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Dear Vexen,

In your article on growing fundamentalism in the west you say that the solutions to this problem are:

Opposition and closing of faith schools
Removal of religion-specific legal rights
Heavy promotion of scientific education
Raising awareness of the threat of fundamentalism growing from within the Anglican communion
Support of gay tolerance (to show up the immorality of fundamentalists)
Removal of religious pathways of power

I believe that these supposed solutions are far more draconian, discriminatory and harmful than anything that conservative evangelicals would ever recommend.

To tolerate something is to put up with it, not act differently towards it, even though you know it to be wrong.

If you were tolerant you would accept what you call 'fundamentalism'. 'Fundamentalist' Christians believe that homosexuality is not God's plan for human sexuality and thus wrong; it isn't any more morally deplorable than things acts (or attitudes of the heart) like theft, lying, and rebelling against God in other ways, and so on and so on. We do not believe that homosexuals are any more sinful than the rest of humanity. But you seem to think that fundamentalists are intolerant because they think a position you hold is wrong. That's not intolerance, it's remaining firm to one's convictions.

If you really advocated tolerance then you would not hold the opinions you do. As it is, you are intolerant of anyone who disagrees with you and thus you undermine your own position.

I believe that we should all have the legal right to freedom of religion and belief, but it is a fact that only some people will be right. We cannot all be, can we? If we can, then I have just as much right to advocate my beliefs as you do yours.

Please be consistent and wake up to cool crisp logic.

David Potter


Re: Tolerance?

So let's bring back slavery, silence our women and cover their heads and any other outdated commandments of god. Infact, lets also bring back the taboo of pork and enforce circumscision. Oh but I forgot, Paul miraculously through gods word, removed a doctrine which would have been almost impossible to sell to the masses. The isolation of a group due to their genetic makeup is disgusting and as a christian you should know better..... we can at least forgive those from 1500 years ago for knowing no better. I welcome the day that the evangelical movement welcomes another minority group into its ranks without sanctions. This day will surely come..... working from the inside. MJI

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I think that you must remember that God gave us all the power of Discernment. I attended World Conquerors Centre before, and Pastor Climate is charismatic and has a huge ego! If you go to this place knowing it is a circus! Then you will be fine...like all great cults there has to be a strong, enigmatic, power-driven leader of sheep to follow. Think of all the cult leaders and Hitler. The doctrine of this place is man made, by the Pastor and his wife. If you realize this and have the sense to know that there is no holy communion allowed? And the people who attend are they followers/disiples of Jesus or the Gospel according to Pastor Climate and Jennifer?
I would like to offer that simply pray for this place. If its a good seed it will indeed lead people to good things in God. However, sometimes evil can appear to flourish also, and Id question if it would be wiser to go out and get yourself a Bible. Rather than pay for P, Climate's doctrine!?
Climate is a good preacher but he is clever and manipulative in his sermons. Sadly I have witnessed broken down people who are caught up in this and devoting their entire life to a man whos main ambition is to own his own private jet.
Is it an honest church? Where is its contribution to Leith Churches together? To the homeless?poor? Every church must list its income and expenditure and be of ordained pators who have attended theological college.
i think this centre sadly is for people who cannot think for themselves and are lead in life instead of being leaders!


i came to wccc 2 years ago, i was nobody ,i did have sense of direction. but since i joined to wccc my life has changed, i have understanding, i was poor i could not even support all my self, but now am one of the prime people in the city of Edinburgh.Pastor Climate preaches one doctrine and that is the Bible. about the Communion, you ask anybody or come to our church every end of the month Friday 7.00pm or call the church prayer centre and you will find we have communions every time, even now we having early morning prayer 6:15, and every monday we have communion. Pastor Climate ambition is not just to own private Jet is Ambition is to win souls. Just like other international preachers Jet is a tool to reach as many souls as you can and to protect the anointing. it seems to me all critics of Wccc are failures, right now struggling in thier lives.
there is a big evidence the anointing of Healing and prosperity upon pastor climate. so be careful don't open your mouth were pastor climate is concerned i have not seen any one who has raised against p.climate & jennifer without severly punished by God, i think P.Climate is God's favourite Because of his obedience Read this "Do not touch my anointed ones;do my prophets no harm." He called down famine on the land and destroyed all their supplies of food; ( Ps 105 ;15-16) be careful brother dont play with fire. i know it i have tried it, and now i am back to wccc in full swing and am blessed than never before.
i know right now you are struggling in your life, come back.
if not watch us fly high, i dont care about the offering it is not my Job it is the Adminstrators Job, there no where in the bible says you must know what the priest does with the offering, infact cursed are who try to.

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John 10 v 1 - 18
Blow the trumpet and sound the alarm!!
Not all that seems good is good, test the spirits. God will NOT be mocked. One day every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. No man can serve two masters.

A warning in the love and compassion of Jesus Christ. Pastor Climate as the shepherd of WCCC and as the representative of God in the Church, can you truly say that you are not in sin? Can you truly say you have and will lay down your life for the sheep that congregate around you or are they like lambs being led to the slaughter? Pastor Climate before God can you say that you are not mis-leading fellow Christians to beleive something that isn't so? That you are not lying or causing Christians to fornicate??

The word is very clear and precise towards such sin. This day before God I plead with you to turn from your ways, repent and turn to God. Time is running out, don't get caught short. Life's hang in the balance and God will hold you accountable. These are God's sheep not yours. God see's all. Get right with God. Get married. Hand back belongings. Turn from your practices and see God move.

Love in Jesus, a brother.


This is a very silly website well i have no time for pastor climate debate or wccc. My eyes and my focus as a christian are on God, upon Jesus, so this is all a little matter and nonsense.
However, I hav been to world conquerors and I personally witnessed pure evil there I saw it and heard it with my own eyes and ears. So God told me to flee that place! And I did as I was told.
All the brothers sisters who come out of wccc saying "Oh you are a failure you left wcc you are a loser in Christ"
I have this to say to their argument?brainwashing twaddle basically!
Jesus loves everyone! Especially the failures and losers and sinners and drop-outs! Read your bible people he sat on the road and broke bread with the possessed, the prostitutes. So if thats your argument Im pleased and proud to be a failure if thats what you think of people who escape Wccc! Because Jesus loves me as I am and I love Jesus! Amen.
Now, I got told by a brother all sorts of stuff about Pastor Climate after Id left of my own common sense. He said the pastor and agroup of devotees drove to his house, stole his passport and hundreds of pounds from his church collection. He said voodoo and evil was being done. That the pastor was sleeping with the women and he had another wife in London and was all crooked ways.
This fellow at first I believed he was in such a nervous breakdown mess. Now he back at Wccc and is one of the main men? Now who is the crook? Even a pig does not return to its own vomit.
So to see and know dishonesty and corruption in the house of god, but to know and return and be part of......?
Im afraid I cannot be swayed or impressed by big tacky white limos and sky tv. Wot is that? The pastor preaches tv evil corrupt of devil? then he on all the time?!
We must hav a sense of humour this is true children of God.
Seriously, I have asked wise ministers and pastors about this place. They say this thing, with religion there s always money to be made.
I hav asked and prayed to God for guidance and wisdom, the oly reason I take my time to add comment to this site this day a message I receive strongly:

God tells us in the bible all is heard and seen nothing is hidden, your right hand knows what the left is doing.even whispers in secret ina closet are heard by God."Not everyone that saith unto me Lord Lord shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven"

"Many will say to me on that day Lord Lord have we not prophesised in thy name? and in thy name cast out devils?and in thy name done many wonderous things?
And then I will profess unto thee I never knew thee. Depart from me ye that work iniquity".

Be Blessed.

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I object to being called a fundamentalist.
Any one who has a high view of the bible is good.
Liberals seek to undermine the bible and the apostles, especially Paul. The bible is the chistians anchor.
If we reject the bible then what is our anchor? Human reason? what makes your human reason better than mine? Do you claim to have recieved A DIVINE REVELATION from God.
You reject the parts of the bible you don't like and rubbish the writers so you can do what you like! You make a virtue out of sin [HOMOSEXUALITY].
I grant you there are fudamentalist christians who can be too dogmatic in there theology and we can sometimes be too judgemental.
My faith is orthodox.
You have nothing to fear from truth.
The truth is the bible
The truth is Jesus
The truth will set you free.

I wish you would stop harrassing me with your false visions

Spiritual Britain worships over 170 different faiths

Spiritual Britain worships over 170 different faiths
Telegraph.co.uk, UK - 9 hours ago
... Also strongly represented are the Jehovah's Witnesses with 70,651 adherents, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons), with 12,722. ...

Harmless religion or destructive cult,how do you tell?

The deadbeat Watchtower corporation pays no municipal taxes on their buildings,without even one charity to compensate the community.

Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs and who are they?

The Watchtower is big money, being one of the top 40 New York City Corporations making nearly one billion dollars a year. That’s just from one of their many corporations.

Unlike in the case of Christians who are persecuted in other lands for talking about Jesus Christ, Jehovah’s Witnesses are largely persecuted for following the teachings begun during the second presidency of the Watchtower, when Joseph F. Rutherford took over in a corporate flap and began changing doctrines quickly in the Watchtower belief system. He claimed that angels directly conveyed “truth” to some of those in leadership. He coined the name “Jehovah’s Witnesses” to make them stand out from being witnesses of Jesus, a typical evangelical expression (and a Biblical one).

Rutherford dumped holidays, birthdays and the 1874 date for the invisible return on Christ, and invented an “earthly class” of Witnesses, since only 144,000 can go to heaven in their teaching. The rest, meaning all 99.9% of Witnesses still alive, will live forever on a cleansed earth, under the rule of the Watchtower leaders in heaven, who will keep them in line by local elders known as “Princes.”

If you have been “witnessed to” by Jehovah’s Witnesses and you reject their message, you will likely die “shortly” at Armageddon with all the other non-Witnesses, since theirs is the only true religion, and (if they can live up to all the rules) they are the only ones to inhabit this “new earth.” If you believe Witnesses seem rigid now, any non-conformist during the future “cleansed earth” will be directly destroyed by Jehovah. Even now a Witness will be disfellowshipped for any one of many gaffs, such as smoking, taking a blood transfusion, or even voting.

To even vocally question the teachings of the Watchtower will result in complete cutting off, with family and friends usually being forbidden to talk to them. The Watchtower is a truly Orwellian world, in a time when Orwellian societies are nearly obsolete.

By their own Yearbook accounts, Witnesses are shrinking in number in many Western countries as of the last three years, as the internet facilitates the spread of information (much of it critical of the Witnesses). Witnesses are cautioned against creating JW-related websites, largely to prevent their members from discovering the history and dirty laundry of this organization on other websites. (There are literally hundreds of former members pages in many languages.) The Watchtower strives hard to control the flow of information to the individual Witness, and prefers that all instruction come through the magazines they carry door-to-door. Without this form of control, even as they themselves admit, they would believe just the same as other Bible believers.


Danny Haszard


www.freeminds.org (type in a search word to find articles easily)

www.silentlambs.org (latest news on the child abuse lawsuits against the Watchtower)

About the author Danny Haszard: Former Jehovah's Witness X 33 years and 3rd generation (been there). Now a counter-cult educator. My home page, WATCHTOWER WHISTLEBLOWER: http://www.DannyHaszard.com

Christian Fundamentalism cannot be understood without neo-colonialism

I'm a Sri Lankan and a Buddhist. Christian fundamentalism in Sri Lanka is very active. Various Christian Fundamentalist groups are working for the so-called wellfare of general Buddhist people and convert them into Christianity un-ethically. This un-ethical and sometimes forcible conversion was starter by Pourtugese , Dutch and English in the Colonial Era. Therefore , according to my view , there is a close link between colonialism and Christian Fundamentalism.

What's happening on present days ? There is a large process of neo-colonialism. The western world is trying to hold their power in Socio-econimic and cultural factors of Eastern Countries. The process is given a sweet and attractive name "Globalisation". I dare say that the word "Global Village" directly refers to the neo-colonial society , which is Christian in culture. (Though Liberals and Communists oppose Christian Fundamentalism , they are also Christian in culture. ) . Christian Fundamentalism held by various Christian Churches , in only a part of it. Sometimes , Christian Churches in Europian countries are trying to persuade their governments to get involved in this process. (U.S. attacking Iraq is also a part of that.)

Therefore in conclusion , let me say that Christian Fundamentalism is not an independant matter , but only a part of a big neo-colonial matter.
- Buddhika Thambugala

In any long criticism , please e-mail me to (tabkthambugala@sinhalaya.com)

Re: Christian Fundamentalism cannot be understood without neo-colonialism

Thank you for an interesting and educated response

Very interesting take, however you seem to draw rather heavily on Bruce, that is viewing fundamentalism as an expression of religion. Other authours take the stance that it grows from culture and the environment that the culture is in. By isolating religion as the source of fundamentalism (in this case the US "Bible belt") you lessen the impact of surrounding cutlural changes and its effects.



So liberal Christians should promote secularism? I have believed for a long time that liberal Christians hate evangelical Christians more than virtually any other group in society. Your solutions, brainwashing children in schools against religion, promoting secularism and blatantly discriminating against devout Christians are just disgusting. I don't know if you consider yourself a Christian, but with Christians like you, who needs enemies?

I think evangelicals have figured out the tactics that people like you use against us and our children, and we have stopped accepting it without a (political) fight. We demand freedom for ourselves and our children from the likes of you who would take it away.

Europe is Christian.

What ever your article maybe, Europe is 100% Chirstian lands. All others are visitors, and better behave like one. Non-Christian's days are numbered. Muslims, Hindus, Budhists and the nine yards + gays/lesbos/homosexuals will all rot in hell together.

Re: Europe is Christian.

No, many parts of Europe were never fully Christianized, and, the temporary incursion of Christianity has passed: Most of Europe is now thoroghly secular.

Snx for you job!

Snx for you job!
It has very much helped me!

Climate Irungu

If this boy fakes about his qualifications then he must be faking everything even the holy spirit. He is a real drama queen, he fakes as if he has the holy spirit by doing some weird twitching of his mouth like he is on drugs.
I have watched very weird things happening in that church on his internet tv. They beat up people in the tummy until they vomit and believe that the vomit is the demon. He mislead people by thinking that the bills can just disepear without the people changing their spending habits. I dont think he knows anything about economics.
I have been to Bishop Simon Inehacho's church which is down the road, I find him more mature and genuine.

bishop climate

he hasn't changed he has threatened me many times..God is my witness


I greet you all in the wonderful Name of our Lord Jesus and have read good and bad comments some make my heart sore some encourage me but the bottom line is why are people going back to the old ways people repent and change their old ways they seek the face of god and they live its between you and your God on how you react I can not hold on the past brothers sister time is moving and you will be found there accusing someone instead of making your life straight most people change from bad to good why don't people concentrate on their lives and leave the man of God the bible says touch not the anointed one of God and that's why some people don't get breakthroughs in life coz they dig deep in issues that don't concern them and make a big case out of it the bible talks about seeking God and trusting him for he is the God who raises the dead ,if you are dead in sin seek God to raise you and deliver you in all sorts lets change our mindsets... lets seek the messiah people in prayer and in his word for we shall get
4)clear define guarantee of what will happen
5)fresh impartation
6)victory is assured