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Ignorance Contributes to USA Antagonism

Ignorance Contributes to USA Antagonism

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well on the whole, given the dominant
position of america in the world now
and the very substantial power for the
last century, I should think what is the
more surprising and perhaps unparalleled
in history is how little hatred
there is for America...
this not intended as argument really but
as a counterpoint or even complementarity
to the thought that there are people who
do not like America very well.

USA's only been unparalleled-dominant for sixty years, (and for some of those Russia was seen as a second superpower), just wait another hundred years and I suspect it'll be hated just as bad as the European colonnial powers, the Roman Empire, Genghis Khan... etc!

(That made me think... could I list "The Vatican" in the same way?)

There's actually an interesting book I've been on the lookout for (although I'm not going to have the chance until Feburary as I'm going away for 3 months to a place with no libraries... or Internet)... "The Rise and Fall of Nations", which is a look at the similarities between... well, you can guess.

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You driffed in to why people think americans are dumb as well as why people hate the US. I think in that area you missed an important contributing factor. TV Improted from america. Yes in this sense America is very much a victim of it's own success.

Firstly untill recently the majority of the most popular shows from the states were comedies. American comedy normaly work on the pricple that most of the casr are either outright dumb of mentaly unbalenced. This forms a large part of our view of ammerica. Then you have the most popular show from america to star actual real people Jerry Spriger. This gives us the impretion of what "Real Americans" are like. Deep down we know it's biased by the fact that sane sensible americans arn't dumb enough to get involved but the image pressented by the show slowly digs in to the subconcious as being what real ammericans are like. The nexted biggest show invloving real americans? I'm guessing it's Cops which means the next biggest amount of air time the US public gets is hnded over to criminals.

No wonder we think the Americans are thick

At the end of the day we also have the thing at the moment where it's cool to make alot of noise against the war but speaking out for it in public will get you socialy exscluded. I know one person who when asked by a bloke with a TV camra if he supported the war said no but when asked by a private polling firm said yes. I will not give his name as he may not apreciate it.

I definitely think you have a point about the dumb-factor associated with US TV exports. Imagine how the rest-of-the-world would view the overall IQ-level of Britain if they got their impression solely from watching Brookside, EastEnders and Coronation-Street?

[OTOH it worries me greatly that the two most-popular UK TV series 'stateside seem to be Keeping Up Appearances and Are you Being Served].

As to the war, well, I'm quite happy to speak out for it and end up excluded from some sections of society as a result. I've got relatives out serving in Iraq at the moment [one in the Royal Logistics Corps, the other in communications] and my loyalties most definitely lie with them and what they're doing rather than with the peacenikkim and anti-americans.

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Just wanted you to know I enjoy reading the things you have to say. It helps to have outside resources with actual intellegence/insight.

Thankyou >^__^<~ *purrrrrr*


Sorry Vexen, but I hate Americans, loathe them in fact. Wasn't always this way, but the more contact I've had with them, the more I've come to hate them, their greed, ignorance and sheer arrogance are all disgusting and intolerable. Made the mistake this year of going on a boat trip as the only Brit with 11 Americans, thought the kind of people who would go on a trip like that would be a bit broader minded and more intelligent, but sadly was proven very wrong.

American TV

During my time in the US (a couple of months) I could never find anything intellectually stimulating to watch on TV, unless it was a British import.

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Sure there are. Educational documentaries are on all day long on the History Channel, a favorite of mine. You can watch autopsies or surgeries on the Discovery Channel, what documentaries on andigionist tribe cultures in Africa and the Americas, or you can watch MTV and TRULLY understand why people hate us. I watch MTV and I hate America, too. I watch E! and I hate America. I watch Fox News and I want to start killing people. It's just naturally human.

A shame.

Such a good report. This is by far the most decent report there has ever been on anti-americanism. If I was to show this to any of my European friends, they would simply brush it off, never giving it a chance to get them to think differently. It's hard being American these days, but well worth it. While I dont think the United States and EU will ever truly respect or appreciate each other, it's good to know there are intelligent people out there making reports such as this. God bless you, and thank you for this. - Nic P.

Anti-American Feeling within the UK

Firstly I'd like to apologise to all Americans on behalf of the UK for the distasteful and immature postings on this site. I am born and raised in the UK and agree that there is a certain amount of anti-American feeling amongst its citizens. Like any nation we do have a disagreeably large amount of ignorant people within this country and it is always these ignorant few who seem to feel it necessary to voice there unjust and unfounded opinions. In mild defence of our ignorant masses however I do feel there their warped opinions are developed (as stated in an earlier post) from the US tv we receive but predominantly from our own media, who do like to jump on the stereotype bandwagon. Newspapers like the Sun, the Mirror... in fact any UK tabloid newspapers certainly don't help suppress anti-anything feeling amongst the 'sheep' (look at continual anti-german, anti-french etc. etc. etc. jibes). If it sells, they print it. And unfortunately, the ignorant buy it. It also doesn't help that the vast majority of UK citizens rarely meet and actual Americans. There rare few most people in the UK will bump into will be tourists... and any nation judged on tourists alone is likely to fare very poorly. Especially the UK! But to quote Robert Browning, 'ignorance is not innocence, but sin' and unfortunately when it comes to ignorance there will always be more sinners than saints!

oh my gawd... this whole site revolves around how jealous the rest of the world is of the states... i mean hatred isnt always justified...but a lotta people have genuine reasons for hating the states which i and im sure any american could understand, this doesn't mean the rest of the world is jealous... there are other reasons to hate something and saying that everyone is jelous is just plain arrogent and pretty much the reason they are hated in the first place. 15 UK

Jealousy is one (unjustified) reason why some hate the USA but this site does not revolve around that as the only reason, although I do of course mention it.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/hateamerica.html#Why contains a long list of reasons why people hate the USA.

The particular page you're replying to highlights the role of ignorance and stupidity; neither are "jealousy". They are two other non-justified reasons why people tend to dislike the USA.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/ is an examination of many reasons why people dislike the USA, both justified and immature reasons. Jealousy is but one small subject area of this site.

Please read more before you comment, I nearly deleted your comment because it was apparently brainless and prejudice. Research, read, then comment. Or at least say something informative.

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The EU against the US

Thanks for your nice word about 'us poor bedraggled Yanks'. Not only are we forced to have the Idiot King as President for two terms (and no, as our Former President Carter has himself recently said, Bush was NOT the elected President), but we have to be told that we're hated 24/7. I am like most Americans I know -- I hate Bush, against the Iraqi war crime he calls a "war", I suspect Bush had a greater roll in 9/11 than any Arab country did, and I have a deep affection for Europe (and hope that, someday, it may be returned) because it's the land of my ancestors. Also like most Americans, I'm deeply concerned with the environment. Here's the bad news: the country isn't run by the people now. It's run by the Carlisle Group, which is an international corporation. Americans are as much an enemy to them as the Iranians are (we may even be more feared than the Iranians). In short, your average American has *nobody* on his side -- not even our own government.

Beyond that, I think what we are seeing now is a many-year process of the more extreme ends of European society seeking to promote hatred toward Americans, just as we have the Fox News cadre in the US promoting the "cheese-eating surrender monkey" idiocy. We're all victims of shepherds at war. They each want to destroy the other. As long as we're all conscious of the indoctrination we're being given, we can keep them on a leash (can one leash a shepherd?). They're using very primitive primate dynamics on us.

If we don't watch out, we'll be at war with each other before we know it. You guys keep the Yankophobes in check and we'll try to curb the "freedom fry" morons, okay? :)

To the remarks made, I'd like to suggest the following considerations.

This is a big one -- my people no more "left the UK" (as in "abandoned it") than someone moving from California to Hawaii sees himself as leaving the US. One would hope we could get past this ancient history, but I've had this pitched at me so many times, it's unreal. In fact, many members of my family were brought over by force during the Scots-Irish peasantry/plantation era. One of my family surnames originally meant "property of the lord".

Also, the English language was brought over here during the time of Shakespeare, when spellings varied greatly. Our spellings are no more "misspellings" than yours are. We merely took one variation while you have another. Just as you have the right to the culture of your own ancestors, I have the right to that of mine. It just so happens they were the same people. No, we don't speak "American English", we speak as viable a form of English as my British friends do. Only if we call the UK flavor "British English" may I begin to see the point of "American English" and "Australian English".

Incidentally, I live in a tiny home, I compost and recycle. I only know two people who own large houses such as those you describe -- and they're both from Australia. I am fat, but we all have our cross to bear. However, I'm an agnostic with an excellent education, so perhaps (given my fat Yankeeness), this might redeem my humanity a little.

Peace and a time beyond Bush to all of us...

Europeans are the ignorant ones

Europeans are so self-righteous. Americans may think that politically, but Europeans apparently like to think of themselves as walking dictionaries. I haven't met one European who knows everything about everything. Yet you say you do. For instance, the complete idiot who said,

"I would define an ingorant American as someone who doesn't own a passport, or can't speak more than one language."

If Europeans believe this, they are ignorant beyond belief. Not everyone can afford to leave the nations that they were born in.

Unlike Europeans, Americans realize that wasting your time learning a new language when you are never going to interact with those who speak that language, is stupid. Maybe Americans have something better to do, LIKE PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES.

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meh you shouldnt judge other cultures with who you have met you havent met all of them so you cant speak for all of them


I ask my father, "Why do people hate America?" He says to me, "Because we are arrogant, because we think people should love America and not their own countries." This is not true, I think it is the other way around. Everyone hates America because we don't live by European, mainly French, standards. Because we realize their are more important things than knowing were every country is, on a map.

Believe it or not, there are poor Americans who are more concerned with feeding their families than teaching their children how to speak French, even if that child will never go to France or interact with French-speakers.

The English are the only Europeans who don't "fancy" themselves no it alls. While I have met Russians, French, Italians who think of themselves as walking dictionaries, I have never met an Englishman who is that ARROGANT.


maybe its something to do with english speakers. germanic languages are better than romantic languages when it comes to doing math.

by the way, the english are wonderful people and i love them, as an american. they aren't as hateful as their european counterparts, and thank dios para esta. however, many english people are arrogant, and ignorant. as are ALL EUROPEANS.

Idiots beget Idiots

So it's been a long time since this essay was written but I loved it and was enthralled for hours reading and researching. Thanks so much for writing it! Sorry to see the long list of blind responses though.

I am overstimulated and it is time to sleep...Keep up the good work!

yea i think its bad how brits feel about americans as i think people should judge people as who they are not where there from its true some americans are idiots and delinquents but theres idiots and delinquents in every country not just the us


i am an american in britain. i find not only do people not hate americans but they are fascinated by us. id say about half the brits tell me they want to live in usa. everywhere i go in britain, i am treated like a celebrity. i find americans are very popular in the english speaking world. i have met people from all over the world, and havent really met too many people that dislike americans. most people will say they dislike the american govt but like american people. i have talked to many arab, and muslim people and they have been very kind to me. the thing i find strange is that even the victims of america will be nice to americans, often times even defending the ignorant actions of americans. i got a haircut in sweden by an iraqi barber, and i thought for sure he was going to try to stab me with the sizors, but he was cool, and didnt. the more muslims and arabs i had met, the more i realised how cool these people are. i find the most hateful, and discriminating people to be americans... with jews coming in second. i dont know what it is about them, but i am seeing a pattern of them trying to convince me why muslims are bad, and why i should hate them. i also see the same pattern with americans. they will try to convince you to hate a certain group of people, whether it's china, north korea, cuba, or venezuela. i find this to be a very annoying characteristic. it's bad enough they are hating anyone at all, but then they gotta get others to join in on their hate. i wont disagree that muslims also hate jews, but it isnt the centre point of their conversations, and they will rarely bring it up. while not all americans are hateful, i find the nastiest ones usually are american. even though i am american myself, i find myself most cautious around americans. i feel that i need to sus them out first before i open up to them. on the other hand, when i am associating with arabs, indians, orientals, africans, etc, i don't particularly feel the need to put up a defence. also i would like to say that i am an atheist, so i dont have any religious biases.

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i have traveled all over, and been treated very well as an american. i was waiting for the bus in france at 3:00, and was talking to a guy. he only knew a few words in english, but basically he said that the next time i go to france i can stay at his place for free. if you think thats a joke then get this. i met a french man at a beach in scandinavia who invited me to his house in france and germany i stayed there. i also stayed at his friends house in france for free, and his friend didnt know me from howard the coward. and no, none of them were gay.
now you talk about american imperialism as something that people hate, but i can tell you american imperialism is something that people love, and respect. america is a leader and when america talks, others listen. when america says jump, they say how high. look at all the alies america picked up after the viet nam war. you would think that since america needlessly invaded a country and slaughtered a few million people for no reason that people would be disgusted by america. wrong. this also goes back to what i was saying before about america convincing others to hate a group. that time it was communism. now it's muslims.
the respect for american imperialism is everywhere and widespread. in asia, we have japan, a long time right wing country, and pupet of the usa. it is no secret that japan loves everything american and will support every policy america ever makes.
australia supported and fought in the viet nam war, and iraq war. they also host numerous military exercises in queensland. american aircraft carriers dock there all the time and are welcomed with open arms.
canada. it used to be that americans would tell liberals to go to canada. if we examine canada a little closely, we will see that canada is in fact the 51st state, and stephen harper's views are very much aligned with george bush. canada has been very supportive and vocal about americas war on teror.
america has sparked a right wing movement accross the globe. it has paved a road for racism across europe. before you disagree, ask yourself this. have you ever seen so much hatred towards muslims in europe prior to americas little crusade? country after country, we are seeing traditionally left wing countries move to the right. the netherlands, like canada has jumped in on this war on teror. the netherlands used to be liberal, but now they are as fascist as anyone else. they have changed their immigration laws to keep foreigners out. who would have ever thought danmark would become socially conservative. they used to be the biggest recipients of refugees. now they have troops in iraq. the danish govt has changed its marriage laws to keep foreigners from marrying in. even sweden has gone to the right. france is another place americans used to tell liberals to go to , but their leader sarkozy is a right wing man who is americas lap dog, along with tony blair and gordon brown. we don't even need to get into americas influence on britain, because we can safely call it the 51st state as well. in italy, the roma are fingerprinted, despite being citizens. this is no surprise as italy is led by berlusconi, right wing extremist, and america lover. now my question is, if everyone hates america so much, why elect all these leaders that are in love with america, such as chancelor merkel of germany.
now you can complain about america all you want, but at the end of the day, america is being rewarded for its imperialism, not punished. no matter how many innocent people america kills, people will continue to love america. maybe the world is twisted and it's not americas fault.

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Not Ignorance

Since the beginning of the U.S....fighting the British....gaining independence...no one thought we would survive as a nation. We did...and surprised Europe...but it didn't lessen their condesending attitude. They were still more powerful. It isn't just the U.S. that is effected by this...it's all of the Americas...except maybe Canada. We were just a bunch of peons, mixed, slaves, natives, colonials....no one of any worth. America stayed pretty isolated until the WW...we created our own sports, movies, music, etc.

I'm not saying we don't act like creeps or do stuff that we shouldn't. We aren't perfect, and we are a touch greedy.

Europe should mind its self righteousness...they seem to forget all the horrible things that can be laid at their door. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

So, with that....Americans prefer to live in our own world, and I think people resent that...but with the attitude that Europe doles out...is it any wonder? I think a lot of times we do stuff just to be contrary and piss Europeans off...it's childish. If Euros lightened up a bit...it would be cool.

We come off as overly patriotic, but you guys seem so cynical and grumpy. Our outlook and way of interpreting things is so different....I don't think we can genuinely understand each others feelings and/or intentions.

Whos the individual that made the comment about the US? Shes from the UK

by the comment.

I state to those practicing - When you can control yourself and the seen

around you, Maybe that which controls you will make you believe you

control it/ them.

You live in two worlds. Willing to pay the price for ignorance?

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