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Vexen Crabtree 2015

New Age

"TheNew Age and Satanism: And a brief history of 1960s/pre 1900s New Age movement" by Vexen Crabtree (2004)

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Yeah! Not online much... story of my life at the moment... not in London either! I'll keep you posted when I'm around, there's a lot of gossip we can catch up on!

thats what they say of me....http://agnusdei.150m.com


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I miss our chirpy conversations!

Leviathan's request

Hails Mr. Crabtree ,

Once more I chose to contact you this way as it seem the most direct way to contact you. I apologise if i seem to intrude or abuse the digi-journal-perpoused feedback. – so in the spirit of that ; let me tell you that the New Age Essay is excellent , the mistake of mixing Satanism ,Wicca and new Age in the box is rather common and through essay like these may be prevented .

The interview we did is now online on the Satanic Room site and awaits your final approval ;-) . Please go to http://www.satanicroom.com/index3.html , it’s under “Writings” , click on “)0+Lord Leviathan +E” and there you will have it under the title of “A Virtual Hellrasier”.
As you may notice our site is still in it’s first stages of development and under construction. Currently there isn’t much to much material available yet but here is MUCH more to come ! (however I am not the webmaster and am utterly powerless to speed up such matters + pretty busy with my studies )
Until now we have our forum up and running and modest collection of essays , poetry and artwork .

If it’s ok with you , I would like to keep in contact with you for possible future collaborations ? In your last transmission reported you where largely off-line and that you couldn’t aces you website-mail box or something in that nature. .. is there an alternative e-mail address I might mail to ?

(I will be checking this page frequently )

Thank you for you time !
)0+Lord Leviathan +E


Re: Leviathan's request

I think it's worked out well, and the site is looking good! Definately got my approval :-)

Sure feel free to keep contacting me, LJ is a good a method as any but just be warned I'm mostly offline and wont get back for ages sometimes.

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Re: Greetings Vexen! ... about your essay

Will be fixed soon. I have to uplaod the essay one day... then post about it on LJ and return home with the correct URL to allow posting, then edit the site and return to cyber cafe. Takes multiple days at the moment to insert a simple LJ link on my pages!


Satanism and New age, great

New age was just someone(s) who just philosified and came up with something thru their imagination.

Satanism, however..
Jesus gets his hands nailed to a cross, blood pouring out of his body, hes been wipped and lashed so much that hes covered in bloody wounds. Then he says "father forgive them".

He dies for you, then you spit in his face.

Why worship satan, he does exist, but his path is already set. Satan is the bad one, and his style is alot cooler than christianity. But,

What do you believe in terms of "afterlife", ect..
When did Satanism begin?, or has it always been
Do you believe satan exists, or was the religion based off of a "fictional christian creation"
Do you believe that jesus existed, died on the cross, ect..

Plz answer

No, new age was not "thought up", but was a slow merging between Eastern (Indian) practices and Western cultural changes from before 1900. The history of the new age is no mystery and is lightly documented.

I am not a Christian and do not believe it is correct to mourn any one of the thousands of people that the Romans crucified more than any other. And don't forget that the Christian Church spent 500 years torturing and burning people in Jesus' name, I'm not sure I would want to associate myself with any of that.

I have spat in no-one's face.

I worship nothing.

Who is Satan?

Heaven/Hell/Afterlife: There is none.

Satanism began in 1966, formally codified by Anton Lavey.

Satan is a figure in many religions, Satanism encompases the Mara of Buddhism, the Shaitan of Islam, the Satan of Christianity. The Satanic Bible lists all these infernal names, they are from many cultures, some pre-dating Christianity, some more modern.

If Jesus existed, I do not believe that we know anything about him. I definately don't believe in the Christian resurrection myths, etc, simply because we know how these stories came to exist, and we know that for the first few centuries even Christians didn't believe in them. We know how they came to be viewed as literal, and how, in short, Pauline Christianity came to be the dominant type of Christianity. In short, the Jesus that appears in Christianity is completely fictional, although there may have been an actual Jesus, we have no way of knowing anything about him.

Maybe, Jesus did not exist:

Virgin birth, christmas story, etc, is definately not true even if Jesus did exist:

And finally, the resurrection is also not true, and seems to contradict Christianities' own teachings about what God is.

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I knew nothing about New Age, im an idiot.

You cant lable them christians just because they labled themselves so.

If you dont believe he died for you(or died at all, or existed) then i guess you havent spit in anyone's face.

I guess i'd like to believe theres an afterlife.

Whats Pauline Christianity?
There is some archaelogical evidence that jesus existed. Written evidence shows Jesus was mentioned by three early second century pagan Roman authors and by Josephus, the first century Jewish historian. The only other primary record of his existance is the bible, so i guess it comes down to whether you believe the bible's true or not. (and if you dont, the following rant is utterly useless)

God didnt punish the people who came before christ's crucifixion, Their sins were forgiven. They had sacrifice sheep every week to remind themselves of the coming of Jesus.
God didnt kill his own son, we did. God didnt sentence us to hell, only we can do that by not allowing Jesus to forgive us of our sins. '
You dont do good things to get to heaven, thats like trying to jump to the moon. Nothing we can do for god is worth infinite happiness. God cant allow sin into heaven (because then heaven would become like earth). Therefore once you've sinned once, you are imperfect and unable to get to heaven. But Jesus died for us, because he was perfect and without sin. All you have to do is give up selfish pride and ask him to forgive you of your sins.

The thing about everyone knowing god and some rejecting him makes sense,

I g2g

Thank you for continuing the discussion in a mature manner, it makes a change to talk to someone who's happy to ask questions, etc.

Pauline Christianity is the form of Christianity preached by the Roman citizen Saul of Tarsus, who renamed himself Paul (St. Paul) when he converted to Christianity after persecuting early gnostic Christians. His epistles form a major part of the NT, and formed modern Christianity. For the first few centuries, Pauline Christianity fought with the original gnostic Christianity, the latter were wiped out, especially when Emperor Constantine formalized Pauline Christianity as the official Roman religion.

About Sin, if God is perfectly good, then it would simply forgive everyone all our sins (without the need for Jesus, of course), whether or not we know about Christianity, and send everyone to heaven where there is no sin. All sins would be gone, no more could be done, everything would be perfect. Everyone would have free will, to do lots of nice Christian things, in heaven, with no risk of sin. Easy solution!

Why doesn't God do this!

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Angels were created perfect, but they didn't have choice as we do. Lucifer rebelled against God (he became jealous and left heaven with one third of the angels), and I guess God didnt want to make the same mistake again. "Insanity is doing the same thing twice and expecting different results." Sin was done in heaven when God simply made everyone (the angels) perfect and without sin.

Why did we have to crucify Jesus to be forgiven of our sins?
(I found this here, and i dont totally agree with it)

<<< God is all forgiving and all powerful. At the same time, though, God is also holy, just, and righteous. God’s holiness and justice demand that sin be punished (Romans 3:23; 6:23). God is infinite and eternal. Since all sin is ultimately committed against God >>> God said a sin aginst man(his creation) was a sin against him <<<(Psalm 51:4), God cthe only just punishment for sin is an infinite and eternal punishment. The only way we can personally pay for our sins is by burning in hell, in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:14-15).>>> I dont believe that unrepentant sinners burn in hell forever, they are just cast into the pit of fire. God says nothing about forever. "15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." You get your name written in the book of life by asking Jesus to forgive you of your sins.<<< However, God, in His love, mercy, and grace, provided for our salvation.

Jesus Christ was God in the flesh (John 1:1, 14). When Jesus died on the cross, His death was an infinite death because He was God, and therefore infinite and eternal. Jesus’ death was sufficient to pay for all the sins that have ever been committed (2 Corinthians 5:21). All we must do is place our faith in Him and our sins will be forgiven (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10). That is why Jesus had to die. His death was the only way our sins could be forgiven. >>>


I am not a Satanist as I know how much more stupid they are than Christians but my question is for Mr. Personality above. If God is so all about justice, then why did he write this:

If a man rapes another man's daughter:

Deuteronomy 22:39

He must pay her father fifty pieces of silver. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives.

And what do you have to say about the Bible also discussing how to not stand up against the gov't and not question or protest it?

And for you Mr. Satanist above, you gotta admit it must take a lot of energy to hate and resent doesn't it? Ok gotta go!...

Edited at 2012-12-22 06:27 am (UTC)

Hi, I just came upon your article about Satanism and the New Age. I practice a sort of synthesis of the two: Dark New Age, which combines New Age beliefs and practices (Conscious Reality Creation, meditation, psychism, etc.) with a Left Hand philosophical orientation. Some of my friends and I have an email group on Yahoo.com called "Chaosseth", focused mainly on a Left Hand interpretation of the Seth Material channeled by Jane Roberts. It's New Age without the fluffiness, basically.

I chose this philosophy because I like the New Age approach to reality, especially its highly individualized inner, psychological focus, and prefer it to more formal systems based on gods, spirits and ritual formulae. One of the main tenets of the New Age is to transcend all limitations, and I find this very compatible with my LHP practice.

I'd be interested in discussing this further, if you wish. I'm going to add you to my Friends List, since your site looks interesting.

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