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Anti-Semitism

Anti-Semitism: History and Causes

A largeish page about hatred of the Jews in the last 2000 years, including the theorists behind it's hateful popularisation and those who have most fiercely upheld and furthered the immoral causes of anti Jewish racism.

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Christians/Jews

(Anonymous)
You are sooooo wrong about the true, born-again, Christians hating the Jews. Sorry ... wrong! We LOVE the Jewish people because we KNOW they are the chosen people of God. We ONLY spread proclomations about how ALL people are to love the Jews, etc. Also, we condemn the Arab world (i.e., Palestinians) trying to ursurp the Jews' rights to their land given to them in the Abrhamic Contract (Covenant) with God. So, get your facts straight before YOU spread hate ... hate towards the Christians. We love the Jews ... even if they have not accepted Jesus as their Mesiah!!!! Because we realize they are SPECIAL and the apple of God's eye. Love, A born-again Bible-Believing Jew LOVER!!!!! :>:>:>

Also, Hitler was no more a Christian than I am a Satanist. Hitler, if you check your history, was dabbling in Satanism, Mysticism, etc. He was totally controlled by Satan! If you notice, in most of his long, public speaches, he would actually kind of go into almost a tyrannical trance (and sort of foamed at the mouth). Hitler never was a born-again Christian or anything close to it. In the Angelic Conflict, Satan is out to wipe the Jews off the earth (used Hitler and some others throughout history, but FAILED. Satan is trying to do this because he thinks if he wipes every Jew out, that he will thwart God's plan because God has a special plan for the Jews in the Tribulation and beyond. Satan knows the Jews are God's chosen people through the Abrahamic Covenant (Contract) and they are the apple of his eye. But, of course, God wins and Satan loses. But, anyway, Satan controlled Hitler ... had nothing to do with Christianity! Like I said, TRUE, BORN-AGAIN BIBLE-BELIEVING CHRISTIANS LOVE THE JEWS AND REALIZE HOW SPECIAL THEY ARE. Praying you get your facts straight! Remember this: Nothing sinful/bad comes from God/Jesus ... only through Satan and the old sin nature we are ALL born with. Praying for you!

Christians/Jews

(Anonymous)
Saying Chrisitans "love jews" is very narrow minded. I am a christian and i do not like jews, but not becasue they are jews, but because they are jews and use being "presecuted for all ages" as a tool to control those around them and even entire governments. If you think for one second that a jew is out to do good for a christian, then you are truly ignorant to their very actions. Lets just name a few examples shall we. The ACLU, the most anti-christian org in the world, was formed by jews, and is run by jews. The ADL, formed by jews for jews, has been caught using 3rd reich tactics themselves, against non-jews. In fact, every law that forbids praying in public, acknowledging G_d in public, removing references to christmas from children, were and are removed from us by.......jews.

So Christian, do you think your ignorance is worth the cost its causing?

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(((It was only with the rise of Christianity that the world saw bloodthirsty, immoral and fundamentalist intolerance for freedom of belief)))
O yes i forgot, before christianity EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the face of the planet was considerate, open-minded, rational, tolerant, unbiased, objective and definitely pacifistic.


(((Big nosed, money grabbers, conspirators and grotesque
the Jews actually owned and wrote the "Old Testament")))

Have you ever read the verses in the old testament (the torah) that tell the reader(in those days, jews) to charge less to brother JEWS?(or in other words, charge gentiles (non-jews) more), now id call that..... money grabbing? And wouldnt you "conspire" with members of your own... neighbourhood, circle of friends, colleagues, whatever? even if the conspiracy was simply to go down the park for a picnic. The jews ARE conspirators, its just that so is everyone else on the damn planet.

(((Germany and more Eastern countries were not anti-Jewish, and communities existed there peacefully.)))
REALLY!?, i suppose exist is sort of right. After WW2 the jews were treated slightly better in Russia (and the majority of eastern Europe) than in Nazi Germany, but they were still a starving 'lower species of man'. And how many millions of jews did Stalin kill?, I think it was a little less that the 3rd Reich, so yeah.....existed.
(((The Roman way was tolerance. They allowed most religions to exist
The Roman Empire, once a multicultural tolerant nation.)))

Multicultural!, what are you slow?. The Roman EMPIRE!, multicultural?, its kind of difficult to invade and control the better part of two continents with hundreds of independant countries, provinces, and territories, and keep hundreds of thousands of slaves of various races and ethnicities, without being a little bit flexible (MOST religions)
And please, the Holy Roman Empire was not christian (orgy anyone?) it was CATHOLIC, and it may surprise you to know, seing as you seem to have done so little research, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT CHRISTIAN, it just pretends to be, because it serves its purpose well to have ignorant fools thinking that it is. Roman Catholocism sprung up as the Holy Roman Empire was beginning to fail, the empire needed a way to keep its power.

But you probably wouldnt be interested in this, as it doesnt substantiate what smells, to me, very strongly of anti-gentilism, and specifically anti-christianism.
BTW while i consider myself a christian, i am not anti-semitic. i am misanthropistic. The best thing for the planet, which is, for all intents and purposes, the only god most of humanity will ever know, would be..... hmmmmm a really big comet, or maybe if we keep going with global warming, the resulting ice age will wipe this beautiful blue ball clean of the prejudiced bigoted xenophobic arrogant corrupt greedy vengeful scum, known as, to us: homo sapiens.

Have a nice day ;) I hope we all die quickly.

I'm misanhthropic too. A "weak misanthrope", not a genuine hateful one though.

Many people have hated many others, it's not my belief that before Christianity everyone loved everyone. There has always been prejudice, violence and genocide. BUT... anti-semitism as a distinct, international force against Jews (not all semites, just Jews) was codified, organized, promoted and had it's seeds set by Christian literature, church, actions and preaching over more than a thousand years.

No other mass racism has been quite so comprehensive as the methodical and persistent preaching aganist Jews by Christians. That's simply the history of it.

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Disbelief

(Anonymous)
What I find most difficult to grasp in all of this is that it all has to be their fault ,or their fault or because of this ,or because of that ,can it not be that the problem of all anti's wether they be ethnic,religious or based on nothing more than the side of bed one departed from in the morning be addressed for the small minded illogical thoughts or actions that they really are.Is it really possible to hate ALL Jews,ALL Muslims ALL Blacks or is it more that the real evil here is generalisation which is exactly what this rather offensive diatribe is all about .GENERALISATION is the root of all evil here .And for those who believe I may be upholding either Hebrew or Christian principles mine is the belief referred to often as The Crooked Path which truly does love everyone until or unless !!!

Vexen: Brilliant page, you are absolutely right

(Anonymous)
I'm a Jewish and its so refreshing to read a truthful account about the origins and cause of anti-Semitism. What you say is 100% true, and to be honest, it seems so obvious doesnt it, yet amazingly these obvious facts are considered "controversial."

Well done for telling the truth and keep up the good work.


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(Anonymous)
I'm sure it is very easy for you not to question anything that is pro your own religion, but i strongly suggest you investigate these 'facts' that are "absolutely right"

Hey

(Anonymous)
I can't say anything or everything because I don't know a lot about this issue, and I do agree that one of our church leader such as Martin Luther hated the jews.

the "Christians" back then were very ignorant of the bible because reading the bible was prohibited back in the dark ages. This gave the Church authorities an advantage over peasants whom were ignorant of the bible. When plague strikes europe and then the Church Leaders placed blame on the jews deliberately, and I wouldn't be surprise if some of them knew that it was wrong or contradicted the bible. Church back then placed a lot of emphasis on politics and they abused thier "divine-right authority" to persuade people to kill off the jews or place blames on the jews. It's like propaganda, except it's from the church.
Christians who hate jews because they crucify Jesus are really ignorant because
1)The Disciples were jews, including Jesus' mother, the women who lament for him, mary magdalean, Nichodemous, and Joseph (the rich pharisee or sadheucee)(there might be more)and they didn't crucify Jesus. You can argue that they are the only jews left, but there are millions of them so you can't justify that all jews except for jesus disciples wanted jesus crucified.

2)At the pentacost, when Peter told the people to repent, those (Jews) who crucified Jesus repented. Saul was a Jew and repented.

3)In Acts there use to be a christian church for the jews. Despite the fact that the Pharisee persecuted the jews, they were the ones who spread the gospel (theoratically)

4)An unknown biblical writer wrote the book of hebrews to the jews, which implies that there were christian jews in Israel back then.

5)If you read Roman, Paul made it clear that God has not cast away the Jewish race. (don't know the exact chapter, if you ask me for it i might find it)

In conclusions christians really have no good reasons to hate Jews, In fact the bible teaches to love "thy enemies" which implies that if christians hate the jews or view them as enemies they should love them.

It is true that "Christians" have persecuted Jews unfairly and unreasonabally but this is because they didn't know any better. People have changed but the theology of the bible has never really changed, (only translation, bible version, and ect). (Interpreataions can be wrong but know that it is the people who interpreted the bible, you can argue that people interpret the bible for thier own cause and not for the meaning of the bible)

Antisemitism

(Anonymous)
1) There was antisemitism before Christianity - it is a demonic thing.
2) Christians were not responsible for the destruction of Jerusalem, circa 70 AD.
3) Christians have some antisemitic people and policies during the last 2000 years to be ashamed of, and are. Like non-practicing Jews, not all "Christians" associated with antisemitism were or are in fact genuine practicing Christians, and if some were or are, they were/are misguided.
4) The strongest non-Jewish allies of Zionism and the right of Israel to exist are, in fact, Christians, and I am one of them.
5) The Christian God is a Jew.
6) The earliest Christians were Jews.
7) With all the persecution Jews have received through the ages, the sociological fact that Jews still exist today despite a period of almost two thousand years without a homeland is one of the greatest examples of the keeping power of God and is a testiment that He loves His People, as do I.

1) Hatred of strangers, foreigners and those different to us (inc. different beliefs) is a Human thing, not "a demonic thing". And, my essay does state that antisemitism has existed previously, just that Christianity instutitionalized it.

2) The Temple was destroyed as part of the Roman Empire/Judea war.

3) Agreed. Common sense.

4) Yes, that is a modern fact. Between the Zionist and anti-Zionist positions, I would be a Zionist.

5) A God would not have an Earthly, or Human, race or belief; such descriptions are severely out-of-context and incomprehensible when applied to God.

6) And Roman pagans, agreed.

7) Many heavily oppressed group have survived against the odds - for examply Vodoo/Vodun survived intense oppression from Empire pressure and Christian slaughter. Bah'ai survived the slaughter of Islam, and even the Heaven's Gate has some malingerers. That they survive is not evidence for or against the the involvement of any god(s).

Thanks for the feedback, although we disagree at least you were clear, honest, etc.

Hypocrit

(Anonymous)
This page is so Hypocrital. Ever hear of Saul, he was Saint Paul before he converted. He was a Jew who went around with authority from the chief priests and had Christians who tried to practice Christianity in the Synagogues, take them outside the city walls and have them stoned to death. This man was a person who "most fiercely upheld and furthered the immoral causes of anti" racism. Christianity back then was a Jewish Sect with eventually was split by the Jews who persecuted them through the Aposynagogus. So why, when Christianity was 99% Jewish did the start persecuting themselves.

LOL, Saul was a Roman from Tarsus, not a Jew.

Well it happened on a large scale whether or not you understand how Christians - with Jewish and Pagan roots - can later persecute Jews and Pagans. The page give some reasons, if you are still confused I recommend you read it again.

Anti-Semitism

(Anonymous)
Anti-Semetism was certainly not pushed by the tradition. 1 Corinthians 10:32-33

Not all Christians hate Jews

(Anonymous)
I was born in India and as little boy in India I experiencied anti-semitism almost exclusively from Chrsitians mainly Catholics, not Muslims, Hundus, Seiks, Buddists. It left a scar, I feared Christians for they taunted me and my brother for killing Christ etc etc etc.
However when we came to the UK I found the Christians very very different in general. They were very tolerant (probably because they were Protestants) as a family we felt we were being accepted by the British people.
I feel there are clear references to anti-semitism in the new Testament and to an uneducated mind its clear who should pay the 'price' for Christ's death.
Anyway, irrespective of who killed Chrsit (and it could be debated about the very existence of Christ) we need to put this aside.
The Christians need to focus on the positive aspects of their religion and there are many.

The anti-semitism found in the New Testament is a perfect vehicle for those on some political, social or economic agenda.
After all the Jews are there to have a 'pop' at.
The Christian Model fits very well for such people.

Anti-semitism will never go away, I just accept it as a hazard of being born a Jew.
Of course this is just one facet of Anti-semitism there are a number of other factors to take into account also.

I agree your wrong

(Anonymous)
A friend of mine is Jewish. We hang out a lot and have fun. If Hitler said he was a Christian doesn't mean he was (I'm sure you know that). You have no idea how mad reading this passage has made me, but you know what I'm over it. I forgive you. I love you because that is my faith. That is a REAL Christian.

I agree your wrong

(Anonymous)
A friend of mine is Jewish. We hang out a lot and have fun. If Hitler said he was a Christian doesn't mean he was (I'm sure you know that). You have no idea how mad reading this passage has made me, but you know what I'm over it. I forgive you. I love you and will pray for you because that is my faith. That is a REAL Christian.

"Love Your Enemies"

(Anonymous)
Question? Are you a disciple? Now a disciple is someone who follows the teachings of another. Do you follow the teachings of another or are you "self-disciplined"? The One called The Messiah teaches His disciples to, "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that you may be the children of your Father, HE WHO is in Heaven;" (Matthew 5:44-45a)

Hope is your desire is to be a Child of “your Father, HE WHO is in Heaven"? Hope is you have chosen to follow the teachings of The Messiah, He Who is "The Prince of Peace".

As you continue, remember that The Messiah testified, "the words you hear are not My words,but they are The Words of The Father(Creator) WHO sent Me."(John 14:24)

"You have heard that it has been said, an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, that you resist not evil: but whoever smites you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue you at the law, and take away your coat, let him have your cloak also. And whoever shall compel you to go a mile, go with him two. Give to him that asks you, and from him that would borrow of you, turn him not away. You have heard that it has been said, “you shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy”, but I say unto you, Love Your Enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that you may be the Children of your Father WHO is in heaven: for HE makes HIS sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love them who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even politicians do so? And if you salute your brethren only, what are you doing more than others? Do not even politicians do so? Therefore be perfect, even as your Father, HE WHO is in heaven, is perfect." (Mat 5:38-48)

The Testimony of The Messiah you just read was preceded by the following verse in what the "catholic/christian" religions of this world call their “bible”. "Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven." (Matthew 5:19) Some believe that this bore witness to the laws within the Old Testament, yet this verse rightly applies to the teachings of The Messiah that followed, one of which was to "Love Your Enemies"!

The Messiah also testified, "Why do you call Me, Master(Lord), Master(Lord), and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46) And as Our Father spoke through Him, He testified, "If you love Me keep My commandments". (John14:15, also read verses 16-24)

At the end of The Messiah’s testimony, in what is commonly called "the sermon on the mount" (Matthew chapters 5,6 and 7) The Messiah bore witness to the following, "Not every one that says unto Me, Master, Master, shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he that does the will of My Father WHO is in Heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? And in Thy Name have cast out devils? And in Thy Name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, you that work iniquity. Therefore WHOEVER HEARS these sayings of Mine, AND DOES them, I will liken him unto A WISE MAN, who built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And EVERY ONE THAT HEARS these sayings of Mine, AND DOES THEM NOT, shall be likened unto A FOOLISH MAN, who built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." (Mat 7:21-27)

"HEARS these sayings AND DOES THEM"! May The Messiah’s GOD and Father, HE WHO is The GOD and Father of The Messiah’s Brethren, help us that we would hear and do! For except HE gives the grace, strength and love, except HE gives of HIS Spirit, none could do! “ And so the elect "cry unto GOD day and night"! (Luke 18:7b) continued @ asimpleandspirituallife.org

re; anti semitism

(Anonymous)
Is this website a Jewish Hate site? Not a word about how Judaism is a hate filled ideology directed against all non Jews. See: Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion.

Re: re; anti semitism

(Anonymous)
I am sorry but try to read some history of the jewish nation. They have always respected people and country they lived in.

Anti-Semitism

(Anonymous)
I applaud the effort of Mr. Vexen Crabtree and agree with much that has been laid down here. However, I would like to interject a few points and pose a few questions (10 to be exact). I honestly want your opinions and insight as my research has led me view the Jews unfavorably. But the more I study history the more negatively I view humans as well. Facts can be ugly.

1. It has been put forth by some scholars that the ancient Sumerians and perhaps Babylonians were Aryan peoples. Abraham, who is claimed as the Semetic father of Jews (and Arabs) left this land. Why?

2. Abraham is supposed to have received a divine message giving him and his descendants the inheretance of what is now known as Israel. How did the Philistines, Phonecians, and others inhabiting this land feel about this? Has this feeling changed much in the last 3,000 to 4,000 years?

3. It is said that the Jews were first welcomed with open arms into Egypt but betrayed the Egyptians and sided with the invading Hyksos, helping enslave the Egyptians. The Egyptians, when they finally drove the Hyksos out, enslaved the Jews as punishment. Have you heard this hypothesis?

4. Does the Old Testamant of the Jews speak of many massacres perpetrated by the invading Jews against the dwellers of the Levant.

5. Who blackmailed Pontious Pilate with the threat of revolt and the report of his weakness to Caesar unless he agreed to kill Jesus? Is it possible that early Christians were anti-Jew out of self-defense against a race that had killed their Master and who were trying to ruin his legacy? (I love your paper on the Ebionites by the way)

6. Is Jesus ever "quoted" decrying the Jews as evil or devils?

7. Some claim the Talmud is a systematically racist and anti-Christian document. Has any Christian Anti-Jew creed of comparable signifigance ever existed?

8. Who invented usury and how has this mechanism affected the world?

9. Have you ever heard the saying: "where there is smoke, there is fire."?

10. The Jews are claimed by many to be inherently parasitic and thus destructive to host nations and the world. How do you think the earth would look now if the Jews had never existed?


I recommend all of you read -- Christ Was Not a Jew -- by Jacon Elon Conner


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