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Vexen Crabtree 2015

Souls do not exist

"Souls do not Exist: Evidence from Science & Philosophy Against Mind-Body Dualism" by Vexen Crabtree

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Ask a specific question, get a specific answer. There is no proof for souls and as the text points out in a few different ways, no reason for souls to exist. It's not my job to prove anything here.

How to get hated by Anne Widdicombe

Not that hard really. But I thought you might find this interesting.

Re: How to get hated by Anne Widdicombe

It strikes me as strange that it randomly hits the news... the Navy has no "official" list of religions, so I'm not sure who is lobbying for what.

Anne Widdicombe shows her ugly, intolerant and ignorant face again???? What is with her!!!

There's a number of Satanists in the MOD, always have been.

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I'm guessing you already heard about this but here is another news article anyways, it's a bit different from the one on the above links.

British Military Enlists Its First Satanist
October 25, 2004 10:33 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's Armed Forces have enlisted their first Satanist after a naval technician serving on a frigate was granted permission to practice his beliefs while at sea, the Ministry of Defense said Sunday.

Is quite funny... not sure what to make of it. Bits of it are way off... there are multiple Satanists within the MOD, some of us are even open about it.

Hey, you've got good interests listed!... I recognize your name as a long-term LJ friend, are you a philosophy-forum mutual poster? Just wondering.

The Guardian quotes me!!!


The title of the page and quote attributed to "one web page" is a quote from one of my sites :-)

Is from: http://www.dpjs.co.uk/modern.html

To deny the existence of God is denying yourself life

obviously you had to come from somewhere.
also painfully obvious you deny who He is and therefore deny yourself existence.
how you come up with some of the stuff yo post here is ridiculous but believeable because you dont know the Word of God nor Him.

Re: To deny the existence of God is denying yourself life

It is your God that denies people life. Look at the starving children. Look at the murder victims. Look at all the suffering--- you can keep your god he has hurt me enough.

The fundamental problem Vexen...

Vexen, the fundamental problem w/your conclusions is that "If" a Creator exists{which personally, I do personally see as "probable"-yet not "certain"}is that this "God" must therefore be omnipotent and omniscient.

Now, the Monotheists and Theists may think this of their Deities, but who's to say that a first cause Creator even knows that we exist as a by-product of its Cretion? The possible existence of a Creator or intelligently Creative force does not automatically demand that it is omnipotent and omniscient. It may well be moreso than we are at our current stage or evolution{of course it itself could be in a state of evolution or regression of evolution,who knows?}-but that does'nt make it ALL-so anymore than we are in comparisons to lesser evolved animals than ourselves-just because we may know more or have more abilitiies than some of them..
Then,on the other hand, perhaps we have reached a higher stage of evolution in many ways than said Creator, whilst perhspas in other areas it is more evolved.

This is, of course, all speculation. Though I lean towards Deism and PanenDeism/Pandeism{extensionf of deism}, I make no copnclusions about the Creators or Creative intelligent forces nature or levelof ability. We simply don't know enough{yet}, one can conclude n the personal intellectual level that they think it "probable" that a Creator/Creative force does or does not exist{Deisms/Atheisms} but neither has enough evidences to make any absolute claims; therefore for Deists or atheists/agnostics arguing from the perspective of a one supposing a Creator/deity/god/etc exists to make such conclusions based on the idea that "if" a Creator exists it must be omnipotent and omniscient is a fallacy.

Therefore, your essay saying "God does'nt need,etc, in order to,etc"{in relations to souls or anyhting else} is incomplete logic, for it starts from the assumption that a Creator must be "OMNI"{just as theists assume of their deities}.

Positive criticism, no offense meant bro.

Hail thyself!

In Reason:
Bill Baker

Re: The fundamental problem Vexen...


What you say is true, when I talk of "God" I am only referring to the post-Greek 3-Omni version of God. My arguments only really apply to a omnipotent, omniscient god. To get into debating other types of gods is probably beyond my time, although my mind has naturally wanted to write on the interesting possibilities that the existence of non-all-powerful or non-all-knowing gods offer.

hold it right there

Your theory lacks any actual intellectual experience in the realm of infinism or existentialistic philosophy. Souls do not exist in YOUR realm of consciousness simply because YOU neglect to recognize the method of their existence. You are not wrong in your opinion that souls do not exist, but beware of denouncing another mind's right to individual perceptivity.

My opinion:

A soul is the complete and open interpretation of who any man or woman is, what they do and what they leave behind throughout the duration of their life. The definitive total of all collective perception towards any man or woman define their existence at any point in time. This definition is part of what I would call a person's "soul."

The Most Important aspect to a person's soul, however, is their outlook on all things including self. Their own conscious perception of existence combined with their own internally reflective emotional state and their method of soular projection of such concepts upon all perceivers is called one's soular motive.

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