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Vexen Crabtree 2015

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Sociology, Theology, Anti-Religion and Exploration: Forcing Humanity Forwards


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Vexen Crabtree 2015
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Prayer

Prayer

Conclusion:

"God knows everything - everything we say in prayer, God already knows. The point of praying is definitely not to reveal things to an all-knowing God. God acts only when God knows it is good to act, the wishes of prayer can only ever be against God's will, as I have elaborated on above. So, when prayer works, how does it work? If prayer works, then it is either coincidence (you've prayed for something that was going to happen anyway) or, you knew what was best better than God did, and God intervened!. The latter is impossible. Magic, or prayers, when they are effective, must be against God's will. If you ask a Christian or a Muslim, what will they say is the magical force that acts against God's will? Satan's will. If a supernatural affect such as prayer goes against God's will, then it is Satanic. As such, prayer is either useless, or Satanic. What business, then, have theists got in praying? This is a warning to all god believers that they must be very careful of their own motives when they get together and pray for things!"

79+ comments on this also exist on a different LJ entry - click.

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Re: Your critique of prayer

I've got a better idea... prove you're not a raving, angry lunatic unable to deal with criticism, and simply state the flaw in the logic of the page?

Does God NOT know everything? Does God NOT do what is best in any situation?

Come on, give us a clue as to what the mistake is on the page!

Secondly, even if we do arrive at different conclusions to you, that doesn't make us crazy. Unless you call EVERYONE crazy because they don't believe the same things you do!

As for your challenge, that is what MY ENTIRE WEBSITE is about. So, find a page with which you disagree (many pages state my beliefs) and debate. If you just quote bible-stuff that isn't relevant I'll delete it otherwise my forums become inundated with Christian rubbish, whereas I'm trying to keep this place educational and thematic.

OK, tell me, if you're willing to play your own game, why do you pray? You've got a head-start because you've already read my arguments so you can customize your answer to avoid my criticism.

And I'll play to: I don't believe in prayer because I don't believe in magic, I don't believe in anything that I could pray *to*, and also I believe that if God did exist, there still would be no point in praying.

Game on.

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