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Vexen Crabtree 2015


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Sociology, Theology, Anti-Religion and Exploration: Forcing Humanity Forwards

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Vexen Crabtree 2015

Quiten your mind...

A friend was once shocked when I demonstrated a consistent ability to rapidly slow my heart rate. I just reading about lots of other incidences, making this a verified phenomenon and not something that is perculiar.

"Experiments in the 1960s showed that experts in yoga in fact were indeed capable of slowing normal body processes, such as the rate of oxygen consumption, heart rate, and breathing. Indian television cameras captured 46-year-old Ramanand Yogi sitting in a sealed box, in which he used little more than half the calculated minimum amount of oxygen required to maintain life. For one hour, he survived on a bare quarter of what his body should have needed.

In other tests, yogis produced sweat on the forehead only, while others slowed the heart rate while sitting still"

My technique is to consciously slow breathing and relax all muscles, which will for very simple phsyiological reasons mean you need less oxygen, therefore need less blood flow, therefore your body slows your heart. The opposite, is to think of your heart going fast... voila... it goes faster!

Other connections that exist include a direct cause and affect between willpower and immune system, willpower and disease & symptoms, etc. It is known that depression and mental weakness causes the immune system to work less well; and merely pretending to be happy or healthy actually increases your health!

[EDIT: Further comment removed due to: I can't think of a careful or sensible way of phrasing them without inviting cared-for friends to think me foolish...]

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Ahem... yes?

... I like it when you *poke* more than when you *nudge*...

i shall give S a supply of spoons to poke you with next time i see her :p

You girls! S and Shuri conspire to shave my stubble with brillo pads, and now you and S conspire to poke me with spoons!

I forwarded S that email about H2G2

I'm going to go to a LF meet in June/July... I'm gathering as much moral support as I can, want to come? Am getting a load of the old crew together if I can! Will be 4th June, 25th June or 16th July.


have avoided them for ages, they ..*tiwtches* annoy me

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Oh dear I've dug a grave for myself...

I know and truly know that you, and other of my close friends (Shuri!) suffer from medical depression beyond any possiblity of psychosomatic control; a depression based in (genetic) disease that is no-one's fault, and which is notoriously difficult to treat. I remember once (I think it was you, not sure...) you were on Lithium... *not* a drug for the casually depressed!

Anyway... my causality is that depression aids illness, *and* that willpower can decrese illness (or at least it can suppress symptoms, which is what I believe I do, obsessively)... but not that willpower can overcome genuine difficult illness!

I think I've dug a big enough grave that I might need to edit my post or plain delete it, I can see it being taken the wrong way by people I don't want to mistreat!

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I have a number of friends who aren't autostable in that way, some of my most loved friends have been clinical. Nothing you can do but keep up with current advise, keep on it and most of all, keep going. But you're the experienced one here, I'm merely an observer so I won't preach to the converted.

Right... I'm off to edit my post...

I think most people *could* do it, if they learned to be quiet, calm their minds and explore their own bodies & selves with their minds. I think with practise, anyone can do it. But I bet chemically some people are naturally fired-up more than others, and find it harder to chill everything out.

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You can't will-away a thyroad disease, no things like that are simply not a matter of willpower. At all.

I do agree with you agreeing with what I almost said: You do have to WANT to get better. Of course sometimes you get better and hype up your own symptoms without knowing you're even doing it... lots of psychology is involved in illness and recovery. Some people have a psychology of illness, a like for dis ease, it becomes part of their normal self-identity to be ill. Obviously... just genuinely wanting to be better is a white wash that cleans away all that rubbish.

But of course that want in itself doesn't mean you can just will yourself better, but it does mean all that potential mental junk doesn't exist to suppress a 'healthy mentality-healthy body' response!

I think I've mis-put my original post, everyone is reading it like I think you can magically zap disease with your mind... and that those who don't are weak!

I remeber once I when arriving in london I signed up with a new doctor. As always I'd left it till I was actualy ill and needed a sick note. It was nothing serious, so the doctor gave me a genral checkup when I signed up. Having once heard that fit people had slow heart rates and being that vein I relaxed so as to slow my heart rate down.
I got it so slow the doctor decided I was ill as soon as he heard it and singed me off work immediatelyfor a week and had me come back three days later to make sure I was getting better.

My experience with depression is that its cause isn't willpower or attitude, which I know you didn't suggest as being the case, but you're right (at least as far as my experience is concerned) that once you're 'down', the depression feeds on itself, and getting distracted out of it for a decent amount of time can make a huge amount of difference. The worst thing for me when I was depressed was to have nothing to do except reflect upon my depression - just like thinking about your heart pounding does increase your heart rate. That said, positive thinking often only cures the symptoms and doesn't treat the root cause of the depression, so perhaps it's not a great example :)

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