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Sociology, Theology, Anti-Religion and Exploration: Forcing Humanity Forwards

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Vexen Crabtree 2015

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Something interesting is going on neurologically, metabolically and biologically when the recently deceased become capable of getting up and trying to kill the living. Firstly, any pathological study must start with an examination of methods of propagation, so that the disease can be contained. Secondly, we look at the role of the cortex of the cerebrum in zombies and animals. A broken cortex results in more zombie-like behaviour, so, our description of zombie biology must account for the lack of a working cerebral cortex. Thirdly, zombie bodies are special. They do not feel pain, eat or drink. Normal humans die of thirst quickly. No zombie film has explained, really or fully, how the infection causes all of these unlikely symptoms. But we shall try...

1. The Methods of Propagation of Zombie Epidemics
2. The Zombie Brain
3. The Zombie Body
4. Why Don't Zombies Attack Each Other?

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Re: Why Don't Zombies Attack Each Other?

Have you considered the possibility of other, non-chemical methods of transmitting information, such as telepathy? For example, in the case of radiation-induced zombiism, the brain is considered to be somewhat modified in its process by the radiation. Perhaps this has secondary (or even primary) effects which allow the zombies a limited form of telepathy? Perhaps they are able to sense the living and dead as separate mental entities?

In the case of virally transmitted zombiism, a similar process could be at work. With the shutting down of the cortex, it may be possible to provide the brain with more energy in other areas which would allow basic telepathic communication.

This may also explain the desire of zombies to attack normal humans. An awareness of an innate difference in the minds of those around them may lead zombies to desire to eradicate this possibly disturbing influence from their minds?

Your point about hiding in cupboards and behind mirrors is a good one and does lead to some interesting problems with the above proposition, though not ones which cannot be easily solved.

Perhaps the telepathy is so weak as to be stopped by even materials such as wood? Most energies can be prevented by a simple barrier - what if these are similar in properties to light?

Alternatively, the lack of higher brain functions may be presumed to mean that the zombies are not capable of understanding the concept of the existance of something which they cannot see?

In 28 Days Later, this could possibly be refuted by the interaction with what was a soldier towards the end of the film, where it can be seen that the zombie has a dislike of its captors who were at the time off-screen.

Human brain waves, like those of animals, are detected using EEG equipment etc, but, are very weak and barely pass through the skull; less than a cm of empty air is enough to completely attenuate them. Zombies would have to be (literally!) head to head if there was to be the remotest chance of brain waves from one brain touching those of another, and being detected.

We have tried to influence brainwaves with powerful magnets/eletric fields, and our brains do not react; no reaction either eletrically and no conscious detection of any kind, so, it seems unlikely that a massively weaker force (from another brain) could be detected... even if those fields did more than a few mm through air.

So, although it is tempting to say that zombies detect each other using 'telepathy' in order to solve an unknown, all we would be doing really is substituting one unknown for another; how and why would zombies be able to overcome these physical problems with detecting brain waves?

2. With the black chained-up soldier, I think that in 28 Days the zombies are hunters and they know, and remember, where their food is. The black zombie knows full well that all the food he wants, is just behind the door that he can't reach, so when his chain is broken, that's where he goes.

3. The lack of higher brain function causing the zombies apparent stupidity at finding the living who are concealed does make sense, as you say. This idea already has a precedent in developmental psychology. We can measure the excitation of a child's brain, and we know that when they see a certain object (anything), a particular spike occurs in their mind. When the object is concealed, the spike disappears and the child looses interest. Only at a certain point do they learn to seek an occulated item. Without this development, as could be the case with zombies, they simply don't know how to look for things. (But they can learn which generic direction food is in, or went, as in the case of the chained-up zombie).

Zombies are dead bodies possessed by demons. The point, to terrorize and scare people into awe submission to Satanism.


[Quote;Vexen/]No zombie film has depicted a cure or vaccination against such a disease[Unquote/]

"Resident Evil 2; apocalypse" does have an anti-virus.

In Reason:

Molecular biology of zombies

So, I was browsing and found your journal. I'm a 4th year microbiology major, and am astonished at the lack of people trying to address the lack of functioning circulatory system in the undead. Now, I don't want to give a full biochemistry lecture, but to sum it up:

The circulatory system acts as more than just a system to oxygenate blood and deliver it to the cells via arteries and capillaries. It also circulates nutrients, ions, etc to the various tissues and cells throughout the body, as well as to remove wastes.

Among these circulated materials are glucose, which is required for muscle cell movement. As zombies have no heartbeat, and no blood circulation, this creates a potential problem with providing all cells, including muscles tissue, with the nutrients needed to maintain movement.

From here on, my discussion could get very technical, so I'll try to keep it as simple as possible. Cells use glucose in complicated metabolic pathway to generate energy in a chemical form called ATP (adenosine triphospate). Basically, we use the energy stored in glucose to transfer electrons around different molecules to create ATP, which is a universal energy molecule used by our cells. This includes muscle cells, which use ATP to create movement.

Anyways, the lack of a functioning circulatory system would eventually cause a depletion in ATP and glucose, and muscles would cease to function.

This has always purplexed me, from a scientific explanation on zombies. Max Brook's explanation of the virus termed solanum, which is similar to the rabies virus and causes changes in the brain similar to what you outlined.

However, how could a zombie maintain movement without a constant supply of glucose and ATP (discounting supernatural theories, which are far less fun to argue as you can pretty much make up anything to explain them)?

Now, I haven't really had much time with midterms and working outside of school to do much research or fine-tune my theory, but we know that electricity is also able to stimulate muscle contraction. So, zombie movement could be explained by something that provides an electrical source that enables at least the rudimentary movement that we allows the zombie to shuffle and slowly pursue it's prey.

Being a microbiologist, I'm predisposed to a bacteria or microbe being the source of these electrical impulses. Electrical impulses are carried along our nerve cells in the form of ion changes. Calcium ions and potassium ions have different charges and they are able to change the charge on the nerve cells by being pumped in and out of cells very, very quickly. So it's not a big stretch to see how they could be behind zombie movement. There are also bacteria that are able to perform photosynthesis in the same manor as plants.

Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated. I can be reached by email at umsagert@cc.umanitoba.ca

Re: Molecular biology of zombies

Did anyone watch 28 days later? The infected people in that film were not undead zombies, they were humans turned homicidal by a virus. They were like rabid animals, they lashed out for no reason with aggression towards the uninfected. It's stupid to say they wanted food. they weren't eating people, they were just killing them.

Re: Molecular biology of zombies

People are perplexed by nonexistent zombies, yet they try their damnedest to rationalize something made up, then have the balls to insult Christians, saying they should be locked up. Maybe zombie fans should be locked up. hypocrites.

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