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Vexen Crabtree 2015


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Sociology, Theology, Anti-Religion and Exploration: Forcing Humanity Forwards

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Vexen Crabtree 2015

Gay animals...

“The National History Museum at the University of Oslo has just opened an exhibition of gay animals. Homosexuality has been recorded in some 1500 species so far, and been well documented in about a third of these cases; it has been known since the time of Aristotle, who thought he witnessed two male hyenas having sex with one another. Aside from illustrating homosexuality among an extraordinary variety of creatures, the exhibition shows how sexual stimulation can vary when, at first blush, the mechanical details of how this might work are not obvious to people attempting to draw analogies from their own anatomy. Male Amazonian river dolphins, for example, penetrate the blowholes of other males; female bottlenose dolphins use their snouts as dildos on other females.

Why this behaviour might be favoured by natural selection, though, is a difficult question to answer. In an attempt to do so, the exhibition picks on gay flamingos. Two males raising a chick after one of them had a one-night stand (of sorts) with a female are able to hold a larger territory than male-female partnerships. This suggests a chick with two dads could get more food and therefore have a better chance of survival. [...] One [theory] is that homosexuals assist in the upbringing of their relatives so much that they pass on more of their genes this way than by having children themselves.”
Quote from The Economist 2006 Oct 28, added to my text on "Homosexuality is Natural and Occurs in Many Animal Species" that opens my page on homosexuality in general.

(And, I'm back from Berlin, had a great time!)

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In terms of Natural selection it has to be wondered if what we are seeing is more specificaly Bi-sexual animals. Is it just humman perceptions that means this is not being concidered and watched for. It may be that females of a normaly monogomous species will alow thier partner to be poly if his other lover is male. This would firstly reduce compertion for mats and secondly as you pointed out provide a source of help in aquiering terotory and other perental jobs.

(Not that I rule out dedicated Homosexuality since animal passion may well be a whole lot more complex than just DNA.

Nah, my page and sources report studies involving 100% specifically-gay animals, for example some in-the-wild-never-institutionalized whales who will only ever mate with the same sex.

But, apart from that, the book Biological Exuberance by Bruce Bagemihl reports extenseively on the incredibly varied sexual behaviour of animals, including the population-politics style behaviour that you allude to.

It's a wonderful and highly diverse world out there... us Humans are quite boring in comparison!

Did you go to k17?

or the Access bar?

or up the pointy radio tower with a golf ball on it?

Yeah we went to K17 and had a great time - excellent opening hours (it was still open at 5am when we went home), plenty of 80s that we knew and loved, and lots of goth-rock and german heavy rock. We went on a Wed. night, but didn't make the Fri EBM night - even though we looked forward to it, we had worn ourselves out during the day already!

We didn't go up to the rotating restaurant ... looks a bit like a golf ball ... but we did go up on the Parliament's glass dome and various other touristy things.

Got some photos but not many... mostly we were chillin' out all relaxed and taking it easy, which we both deserve!

Cool, you two needed a break...

Regarding your furry essay...

I do apologize for posting this here, in all places, but I'm in a hurry and I couldn't find thy email address anywhere.

I am creating a school-related project, and I was wondering if I could link to/quote from/use the entirety of thy essay on the Furry Subculture. (http://www.humantruth.info/furry.html) Obviously, I would give thee proper credit, so as to avoid plagarism.

Sorry to disturb thee;

Re: Regarding your furry essay...

Sure, go ahead.

Re: Regarding your furry essay...

Thank you.

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