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Vexen Crabtree 2015

Belief in God in the UK

New statistics on belief in God in the UK (and 4 other European countries), which I've added to my page on "Religion in Brtain: Belief in God", resulting in the following table:

DateDetailsBelief in God
200612507 people were polled, finding that only 35% in Great Britain believe in any kind of God or supreme being, compared to 27% in France, 62% in Italy, 48% in Spain, 41% in Germany and 73% in the USA.1835%
2006Poll of 4000 older teenagers in Cornwall found that only 22% could affirm that they believed in God, and 49% said they didn't.1222%
20031001 British adults surveyed960% inc. those unsure
200355% of the British public do not believe in a higher being145% inc. those unsure

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Looking at the second question of the "What we belive now" segment There is a definite 11% listed for don't know seperate from the 60% who say they do belive in god.

Infact I find the response to that whole question quite facinating. For instance more people belive in heven than Life after Death. Dose this mean there are people out there who belive that heaven exsists God Lives there but with just angels for company and nobody gets to go there afterwards?

For some reason I find it strange that twice as many people belive in Ghosts than Heven, but maybe that says more about me than people. I guess I always made the assumption that if there were a heven then Ghosts would also be likely to exist where as if there is no heven it does not rule out ghosts in any way. Maybe I am thinking of the likelyhood of something exsisting than how many people belive in it. Either way there seems to be quite a few people out there with interesting and possibly contraditary sets of belif out there.

1. Inconsistencies can be caused by a mixture of terminology and paradigm unfamiliarity:

People largely don't have logical, thought-out ideas on the supernatural & on religion. They might say they believe in heaven because they associate themselves with the type of person who believes in heaven, but, they might also say they don't believe in life-after-death because they associate the term "life after death" with quirky low-budget bad TV drama involving ghosts and the like, and find it embarrasing to associate themselves with it. Therefore, they can answer in a way that to them seems honest, but is simply unthought-out.

2. I agree that an absence of heaven doesn't rule out ghosts. I disagree that the existence of heaven 'makes ghosts likely', and some of the reasons I lay out on Souls Without Spirituality: Science and God, and two lines of the conclusion read: "God doesn't need souls in order to control our consciousness, God can revive and restore our consciousness as it sees fit. The existence of immaterial souls is not required to explain any supernatural phenomenon or magical events associated with willpower or even life after death."

Point one I guess dose just show how often people speak without thinking about things.

On point two I still disagree with you. Your peice looks on the issue of gods need for souls based on the Christian modle of God, both perffect and infinite. It would only take for him not to be perfect (Something I tend to think would not be unlikely to be the case if god exsists) for your argument to hit a major floor and given that in this pole question people are allowed to pick what part of the concepts surrounding god and faith they do or don't belive in as opposed to having to take or leave the whole christian faith and indeed from the pole results seem to belive only partly in the recived view of the main bulk of the christian church we can go down the line of sinarios where god may Either need souls, Want souls or see fit to provide a place for souls to go to (The second two options being ones you did not exsplore).

My point about the exsistence of heven makeing the exsistance of ghosts more likely works as follows. Given god is everywhere it seems unlikely he would need somewhere to live (Although not impossible), there for if there is a heven it would presumably need a reason to be there (Or for people to keep mentioning the place like it matters), many people belive that heven is where souls go after the death of the body and prehaps that is what it's for, if that were the case then it would mean there were souls doing something after the death of the body. One commonly belived exsplination for ghosts is that they are the souls of the physicaly dead. If the exsistence of heven implys the likely hood a persons sould continuing after death then the exsistence of heven implys the increased likelyhood of there being there being ghosts.

Of course that's if there is a heven.

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