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"Dangers and Purposes of Vegetarian Diets: Beliefs, Causes, Economics and Health" by Vexen Crabtree (2006)

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Humans are carnivores? Um, no....

Humans do eat meat, but we would be better classified as Omnivores, not Carnivores. Carnivores are creatures (like wolves, birds of prey, etc.) that eat ONLY meat. Omnivores are creatures that eat both meat and plant matter. Bears, like humans, are Omnivores.

Re: Humans are carnivores? Um, no....

Good point!

Other sources of vitamin a and d

Beta-carotene (for vitamin a) is also found found in carrots (835 μg 93%), sweet potatoes (709 μg 79%), pumpkin (369 μg 41%), beetroot (5.1 mg), broccoli (31 μg 3%) and peas (38 μg 4%) to name some sources of beta-carotene. Even at small amounts, a daily intake of any should be enough. There is actually more beta-carotene in sweet potatoes than there is vitamin a in eggs, and who eats liver? lol that's kind of a joke but i never ate liver, before i was vegetarian and i have always had top notch health according to my doctor. Oh I am a vegetarian (haha). And vitamin d is also found in mushrooms. Most soy milks (like cow milk) are also fortified with vitamin d and most breakfast cereals as well. Iron can be found in beans, leafy vegetables, tofu, chickpeas, black-eyed peas, potatoes with skin, bread made from completely whole-grain flour, molasses, teff and farina. Though it is not as easily absorbed as it is in meat, a vegetarian is likely to eat much more of each vegetable. Kelp is very rich in iodine, and I'm sure you know about iodized salts. Personally, from my research, a healthy vegetarian diet, should bring nothing but bliss to your body. I been pretty good for the month or two I've been been vegetarian, though that doesn't mean it's for everyone. If produced in an ethical fashion, i have nothing against eating eggs or milk, though I think it is rather unnatural to drink milk from other animals (since no other animal does it)Honey is cool to, though i think some of the methods used obtaining honey are abusive to the bees who are very important to human survival since they pollinate so much of our plants.That was a good point you made about countering unethical animal farms by buying food from ethical ones, though i still feel it is better not to buy either than to buy products from cruel factory farms.


Humans are actually more like herbivores physiologically than they are like carnivores. We are omnivores, like other primates (though their meat usually comes from insects or scavenge) Humans, like herbivores usually drink water and do not lap it up like other carnivores and omnivores. Like herbivores we also have a longer intestine and we chew our food more. Naturally (meaning without weapons) we are pretty bad hunters two. Carnivores are all evolutionarily equip with the tools to hunt and kill prey easily. Though it seems, since humans create, they can really be whatever they want. Our bodies have changed since the times when we ate raw meat and will probably change more. Some vegetarians have told me that when they became herbivore their bodies actually started to adapt to the change.

What is your source of information?

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Body of evidence: were humans meant to eat meat?

E: The Environmental Magazine, Jan-Feb, 2002 by Sally Deneen

Cardiologist William C. Roberts hails from the famed cattle state of Texas, but he says this without hesitation. Humans aren't physiologically designed to eat meat. "I think the evidence is pretty clear. If you look at various characteristics of carnivores versus herbivores, it doesn't take a genius to see where humans line up," says Roberts, editor in chief of The American Journal of Cardiology and medical director of the Baylor Heart and Vascular Institute at Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas.
As further evidence, Roberts cites the carnivore's short intestinal tract, which reaches about three times its body length. An herbivore's intestines are 12 times its body length, and humans are closer to herbivores, he says. Roberts rattles off other similarities between human beings and herbivores. Both get vitamin C from their diets (carnivores make it internally). Both sip water, not lap it up with their tongues. Both cool their bodies by perspiring (carnivores pant).
Human beings and herbivorous animals have little mouths in relation to their head sizes, unlike carnivores, whose big mouths are all the better for "seizing, killing and dismembering prey," argues nutrition specialist Dr. Milton R. Mills, associate director of preventive medicine for the Washington, D.C.-based Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM). People and herbivores extensively chew their food, he says, whereas swallowing food whole is the preferred method of carnivores and omnivores.
Dr. Neal D. Barnard, PCRM's founder and president, says humans lack the raw abilities to be good hunters. "We are not quick, like cats, hawks or other predators," he says. "It was not until the advent of arrowheads, hatchets and other implements that killing and capturing prey became possible."

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Oh and you can ignore the part about humans eating raw meat since I don't even think raw meat was a common part of the early human diet but I could be wrong. I believe meat eating only comes after the invention of fire for modern humans. Other human ancestors may have scavenged but the modern humans body can become sick from things like e-coli, found in raw meat (which is why the invention of fire was so important to humans who needed meat in times of climate change when food was scarce) This makes me think if human ancestors did eat meat without getting frequently sick and dieing, (no medical records or medicine)their bodies must have changed. But maybe all primates always had this weakness to raw meat. There is a good article about the history of the human diet hear: http://www.goveg.com/naturalhumandiet_evolution.asp - and another good article about human physiology and diet on this page: http://www.goveg.com/naturalhumandiet_physiology.asp - Both use quotes from different doctors as sources.

Re: Omnivores

Sorry for the bad grammar.I had allot to say and was in a rush to say it.


Vegetarian lifestyles aren't just good for the animals but also for the environment. It takes allot of land reserve just for cattle to eat and excrete waste (CO2). It's double the waste and double the space since these animals are bred for the purpose of food. That same land can also be used for the people to live. All that grain and plants fed to animals could be fed to humans.

You're full of shit.

Meat = healthy? Animal products = essential to health? Not likely, mate.

Raw-Vegan speaks

So, it's unhealthy to not wear fur, huh?
I live in Chicago where the wind chill in winter drops down to 35 degrees BELOW zero... I did not catch a single cold.

I'm not gonna share culture with you because you just said a lot of crap and you have no knowledge at all.

Just ask to the following questions:

1- Why vegans decrease their blood pressure and heart attack risk?

2- Why a vegan reduces dramatically risk of cancer, heart attack, eye vision problems and much more?

3- Why a vegan has more energy and can handle more? Why is he/she never feeling like, "I'm tired but I do not know why"?

If you get more information, you will find that veggies have more vitamins and nutrients that meat... and the only thing that can be missed in a vegan diet is the Bs vitamins... which know, all of the milks (rice, soy, almond) are enriched with that vitamins...

Well... if your brain is not clogged with trans, hydrogenated oil, pus and hormones answer this questions...

1st A boy had several issues with epilepsy... he went raw-vegan and he defeated the disease...

2nd and hardest question. Cancer is the 1st killer... impossible to cure... Well... Tell me why some people has gone Raw 100% eating vegan has defeated the un-defeat-able ...

There are reports to prove it.

Come on meatbrain... answer!

Re: Raw-Vegan speaks

Perhaps you should read some anecdotes from your fellow vegan:

Don't let the facts get in the way of your eating ideology champ.

"Vegetarianism is considered a healthy, viable alternative diet. The American Dietetic Association and the Dietitians of Canada have found a properly-planned vegetarian diet to satisfy the nutritional needs for all stages of life, and large-scale studies have shown vegetarianism to increase longevity, improve health, and significantly lower risks of cancer and other fatal diseases.[26]"

This is from your first cited source of information, wikipedia. I'm not going to waste much time with you, but I must say this as well as what little other work of yours I've looked at - is some of the most contrived drivel I've ever seen.

I hope this is a joke. If it isn't... I hope you take up a new hobby, like playing in traffic.

Shh, shh, it's OK little baby...you can come out from underneath your rock...or rotting corpse...whatever that thing is that you're eating.


That essay thing was a joke, right? :) Nice one.

GM Foods, Give me a break

pl write before you done all research. independent research not industry funded

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