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Vexen Crabtree 2015

The Pope Compares Secularism to the Nazis

BBC News: Row after Pope's remarks on atheism and Nazis (2010 Sep 16): "In his address, the Pope spoke of "a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society". He went on to urge the UK to guard against "aggressive forms of secularism"."

The Pope's hopeless confused and desperate words are an emotional attempt to scare people back into believing in God; if you don't believe in God and proclaim that belief publically (preferably by giving the Pope a warmer welcome), you've been done by the Nazis!

What in the name of all things true, is he on about?

Secularism in law is the eradication of special religious rights, meaning that you legislate what is legal and what is not, and this applies to members of all religions equally. It makes it impossible for pressure groups, politicians and mobs to encode bias, prejudice and oppression into law.

A political form of secularism is the "seperation of church and state", whereby the Church govern's its own religious affairs, and government rules over all things non-religoius, such as taxes, officialdom, etc. The government cannot therefore veto or influence the choice of church leader (as it tends to in some countries), and the church cannot expect the government to (say) collect taxes for it, as it does in some countries.

Many religious types, especially dominant and powerful religious organisations, resist secularism because it denies them special status in the law; for example the UK abolished its blasphemy laws because they protected only Christianity against blasphemy so were therefore undemocratic.

Christian Churches have conflicted with secular society. The Catholic Church is the biggest Christian church and by far the most active politically. Secularism and the progress of human rights has made discrimination against gays illegal - Catholic Charities fought and lost battles to discriminate against gay parents by simply not letting them adopt children, by firing cleaners and other support staff for being gay. Secular courts have struck down cases where Christian workers refused to distribute fire safety leaflets at a Fire Safety stand at a gay event, ones who refused to do the paperwork to allow gays to marry, and a sleuth of other battles against anti-discrimination laws.In short, the Pope equates the removal of God from the public sphere to Nazism, because it has means the Catholic Church has lost many of the ways it can discriminate against people. Catholics are free to voluntarily abstain from the things their religion says is wrong, but it is morally wrong, undemocratic, illiberal and oppressive to force people to abide by someone else's religion. That is why in a secular world, the Catholic Church is now allowed to discriminate against gays, enforce its odd rules on contraception and birth control, etc.

Because it has lost these battles against modernism, the UK has been called a 'third world' and the Pope warns of a Nazi tyranny. Oh, the irony!

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Hear, hear!

It also seems to have slipped the old loon's mind that Nazism and Catholicism were willing bedfellows.

As I've repeatedly commented; does this mean Atheists will be getting Vatican passports to escape the UK?

the Pope spoke of "a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society"

I can think of two replies to this:

a. If that was the case, why did they put "God is with us" on the belt buckle of every German soldier?

b. I guess he would know about that as a former member of the Hitler Youth...


A friend of mine who lives in Germany sent me this link which you may be interested in.

Nothing justifies talking with such hateful prejudice and ignorance.

You are crazy.

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