Vexen Crabtree 2015


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Sociology, Theology, Anti-Religion and Exploration: Forcing Humanity Forwards

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Vexen Crabtree 2015

Brief on subcultures and what they look like

"The Surface Appearance of Subcultures: People Who Dress Funny" by Vexen Crabtree (2000)

Werekitty's word


The term


is probably a little offensive to some people. I don't fit any of those categories really. I wear plain black but I'm not goth, and sometimes I wear colours if I don't feel black. And saying kids before Nu metallers....
and you missed out skaters.... the baggy brigade into nu metal who ne'er are seen without a skate board (called greebo's in milton keynes).

(could someone who knows about furries visit and tell me if I'm a furry?)

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Wow, we call them grungers to, but you dont have to have a skate-board to be a grunger do you, cos if you do, then my brain is confused! lol

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Well not trying to sound stupid etc I thank you for writing the types of goths, I would say I am a cyber goth. I find you to be a really interesting person with and excellent mind and views, most people think sataists are evil etc blah blah but really they have a real good head on their shoulders.
Would love to chat sometime :)

You need to make a distinction for Neds!!
They wear a lot of sportswear, gold chains, rings, white stuff, designer (i suppose they are like trendies but theyre scummier) girls always have hair tied back in scrunchies, wear their sports socks over their trackie bottoms. high-riding baseball caps, and non-understandable neddy language.

Guess they've progressed to chavs????? is that them?? Is all a bit confusing huh??!!!

most intriguing

You are forgetting one - stoners. The thing is, a stoner is either a completely different category, one who doesnt dress alternaive, but doesnt dress trensy. They just look like stoners. The other thing is that all other categorys can be modded by putting stoner in front. A stoner-goth will be gothed up, have mental (but dirty) hair, but most likely just be wearing some off-colour hoodie. A metaller/stoner wont be much different, cept he'll be wearing some manky old trainers, have safety pins in his jeans and always look mashup.

well in my opinion.

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Tee hee, I like your mods.

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What a bunch of prejudiced, inaccurate, and above all WRONG shite. It seems you say all "mundanes want to look the same, but you are the people who have a "dress code" - ooh, goths make up WILL BE dark or black, metalheads have NO ILLUMINOUS HAIR, jesus, fair enough be a goth, or whatever, but drop the damn attitude problem you sanctimonius fools

Feel free to reccommend any useful rephrases of the descriptions.

Until then, stop being a prick.

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I think that this is probaly one of the worst sites that I have been to. You are putting labes on goths, just as goths have been labeled by others. It is very rude. A goth is someone whom expresses themselves through their actions, clothes, hair, etc.
Some people are just naturalyy dark, like myself.
I hope that you'll take into consideration atleast some of my coments. -Raysch

Re: labels

WHY are you gothic?

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What caused them to be gothic?

What caused people to becom gothic?Is gothic believing in the devil?

Re: What caused them to be gothic?

Goth is a fashion taste, not a theological belief.

You know nothing of gothics


That's got to be one of the funniest comments I've received!

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According to your brilliant categories i am a 'trendy' which is to me a townie, and i am NOT a townie. I mix between the two, and there is alot more to what people are than just their clothes. Many more things make a trendy as you call it. Music and attitude also influence greatly the categories people are in. I may sometimes wear trendy type clothes, but not always, but i do not listen to that music. Trendys would listen to sugababes, atomic kitten, blazin squad etc. and i do not. Also it may be visa-versa. I realise you are only trying to help people understand but your statements are far too general.
Sorry, but i dont like being categorized as a trendy, as you may have guessed.
Thankyou for your time x x x

Could you post a description of a "trendy" and a description of a "townie" so I can mention them on the page, then? Cheers.

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Why is it that the person who wrote all the descriptions cannot, when people complain, or make a valid point, agree when he is wrong, or apologize. How stuck up are you?

I wrote the descriptions, and if you read my other texts or take part in any of the debates I have, or get to know me, you'll find that I admit error relatively frequently. With light-hearted text like this though, where I open the page by stating that labels are always inaccurate and simplistic, I don't really see why people get annoyed unless they're actively looking for an argument!

Related: Text on "Accepting Criticism"

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Depending on the type of trendy, they may also wear burberry and playboy things.

i noticed you had a section on anti superficiality. so how is it that you are classifying people solely on what they wear and none of their political or moral convictions, something that 'individuals' apparantly hold dear?

Read the opening sentances of the page again to understand why I'm doing it.

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reading something someone has written about categorization, i would say that categorization is necessary, but stereotyping is not. if anyone would like to indulge in further discussion about this my email address is it would be useful for a current sociological study i am carrying out.

er.. people you forgot or couldnt define phreaks, pyros and sparkys there are a lot of them out there, do some homework and youll find them, btw is one such community as is


em ok then what if you are a mixture of all? apart from"normal" people? what would you be then?

Boundries and definitions are never complete descriptions of any particular person, only of generalities. No-one fits into one category. But in general, the categories can be used to talk about society.

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