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Sociology, Theology, Anti-Religion and Exploration: Forcing Humanity Forwards

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Vexen Crabtree 2015


"Universalism: If there is a Good God, Everyone Must Go to Heaven" by Vexen Crabtree (2002)

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Advise needed Vexon (off topic)!

Hi there, I'm the same guy from the message above. I wanted to ask Vexon a question, a question on moral ethics in fact. What are your views on sex before marriage? I'm 17yrs old, and to me it seems ethical in most ways. One of the only problems I think there is with it is that if you leave your partner after having had a sexual relationship with them, you may have made an emotional bond with them and so would be hurting them by leaving them.

Yet is sex before marriage (on more than one occassion/ with a number of different people) okay if you and the partner understands the likelihood that there will be a break-up, and that you know you will both be fine emotionally when that time comes.

My main problem is that as a teenage male, I have URGES. I make SURE that these urges don't result in any thoughts of ADULTERY (that goes for peoples girlfriends aswell), but I feel that if I abstained from sex then I would have great hardships, which would reduced the quality of my life. I feel that if you can forfill you 'needs' without being immoral then that okay. I am right in thinking this? PWB THANKS!

P.s. your probably a busy guy, so if you haven't time to reply don'y worry about!

Re: Advise needed Vexon (off topic)!

1. Sex requires recognition of the emotional and societal implications and responsibilities. Sex, responsibly done, is one of the greatest beauties.

2. Marriage is a social legal construct; an ideology.

3. It is odd that people think the first has anything to do with the second. Marriage is often abusive - especially in history and in countries that haven't experienced the secular Western enlightenment that most developed countries have.


Responsible and wise sex is such a force for good that it should not be hindered (backwards), or forced (forwards) by legal contracts such as marriage.

Be sensible, be wise. Be sensible about sex, and wise about sex. Also, be sensible and wise about marriage. But don't confuse the two: Marriage is a completely different thing to sex; the former is an institution involved with politics and idealism; NOT something you want to tie up with sex unless you are really in a good relationship!

Immoral is what harms people; it is society that harms people by forcing superstitions about marriage upon people who it does not suit.

Think for yourself; don't let definitions and structures hinder relationships and exploration. Be honest, not legalistic!

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