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Sociology, Theology, Anti-Religion and Exploration: Forcing Humanity Forwards


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Vexen Crabtree 2015
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If God is moral then religion is irrelevent to salvation

"Universalism: If there is a Good God, Everyone Must Go to Heaven" by Vexen Crabtree (2002)


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Re: God loves you part 2

This is getting long but your last point-
"Ive been a christian all my life, but its always been nothing to me, I lied, cursed, thought bad thoughts. I could never even name all the bad things I've done. About a year ago, i started looking at porn. That was the absolute low, i just felt so bad, i cant explain how i felt, but i hated it. I just ignored God. I stopped looking at porn, started agin, stopped, started, stopped, failed agin. I stopped once and for all eventually. But God forgave me of all my sins, because i know Jesus died for me. Praise the lord."
Fist of all i want to reiterate that I mean no offence and this is not a personal attack, but you have not been a christian all your life. Not one single person is born a christian or muslim (moslem) etc. You were not born with a knowledge of christ. You heard others speaking of him in childhood and asked your parents about god. They told you what they believed to be the truth.That you have come to realize that you used to do things you felt to be wrong and now refrain from is fine. But I have noticed in my travels a similar story if you will. People who tell me what an asshole (for lack of a better term) they were, drinking, swearing , beating their wife and kids, until they found jesus (or some other deity)and how they stopped. What I have noticed about this type of person is that they are much more vocal than the average religious person about how I need to accept christ or muhommed etc to save myself. The implied position that because they could not control themselves without a belief in a god and the corresponding threat of hell and promise of heaven that no one else could possibly do it. I certainly don't claim to be a saint but as the years have passed by have taken great strides in correcting the behavior you also have exhibited but I have done it without the fear of god. So, now that I have stated opinion I will ask a question. in your belief, Can a person who, though not allway succesful, generally seeks to be a good person and make amends for their previous transgressions but, has heard of yet doesn't accept christ specifcally find a place in heaven?
I would invite any one of religious convitction to reply (or you dirty heathens, infidels, gentiles)fist on your own beliefs then ask your current minister,reverend, rabbi, mullah for their opinions as they claim to be closer to god than you.

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