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Sociology, Theology, Anti-Religion and Exploration: Forcing Humanity Forwards


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Vexen Crabtree 2015
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If God is moral then religion is irrelevent to salvation

"Universalism: If there is a Good God, Everyone Must Go to Heaven" by Vexen Crabtree (2002)


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I have been reading the comments from others posted about your essay and i have a further thought i have to add. If God is Moral in his own way , a way that we perhaps do not understand (as suggested by a christian himself) then how is it that these same morals are the ones taught in the bible or the Quran? Surely these guidelines are the same as what god is/believes and should effect whether you go to heaven or not. Also if these arent the morals we should be adhering to either God is making us believe something which has no connection to the final solution or heaven as a human being or there is no point drawing paralells between the two.
In the end no one will ever know what to truely believe and will tend to believe something which satifys their own need to question who they are. This can be a cry for help, a family tradition, or the need to believe there is something more out there. For me religion is a constant never ending web of contradictions. I am speaking from a relatively knowlegeable perspective don't get me wrong here, i have studied the meaning behind both the Quran and the Bible and i still feel the same. I think that more often they just control society by producing a purpose for people not valid answers .At the same time the religions unite them which is to me frightning as belief cannot be proved therefore never bringing a conclusion to the destruction it causes demonstrated by the large number of religious wars the world has seen.
One final point is that Religion although it cannot be proved has caused many ways of thinking to be entrenched in our modern day society whether true or not. A person cannot be moral if they arent religious (not true)and that we are all born into sin (not true) being some of the most influential and poignant cause for social alienation in the world for today. We are all the same, we are all going to the same place and i don't need someone to tell me personally what is right or wrong because i know what is humane. Maybe we should all just be human and stop looking to the skies for answers.

hey folks, sorry if i'm spoiling the mood here but this seems a little ridiculous to me. The only "proof" we have of god or jesus' existence is one pile of documents written by (forgive the expression) God knows who, several thousands of years ago. I can see why people in the distant past could easily be persuaded to believe wholeheartedly in this nonsense, but it is beyond me how educated well-rounded people can still believe in this superstituous ballony. The Bible (and other religious writings of various religions) may form the basis of our moral codes today, but these are mostly common sense and surely we can forego all the superstitious nonsense and intolerance that has cost the people of the earth so dearly.

I agree, that is exactly how I feel. We as a human race, are better off with no religion, keep that stuff in Hollywood movies and farry tales, like Supernatural or other Spiritual Movies. And those who say Religious people are more moral than non, thats a stereotype and not true. Statistics indicate that Atheist are the lowest people to be sent to prison for one thing, the list goes on to support Atheist.

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