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God or Satan?

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Why the bitterness?

(Anonymous)
It looks like alot is in your life, just as everyone else in this world has something going on in thier life aswell. In your essay or writing you say "Christian satan", Well there's no buddist satan or catholic satan or Islam satan, But only one and people portray satan as a powerful being on earth. But really hes only here to terroris and corrupt, THe reason why satan is only one being (but has helpers, Demons)because he is also created by God and a creation is a creation. I'm not sure how you prayed to God, but it looks like you exulted God before you turned away from him and thats Good. Unlike alot of people who know there is a God, People tend to pray about worldly things like cars, money, Job, Relationship, and thats ok to pray for those things, But remember God is not a vending machine where, if you put so much Good things in you'll get a nice prize out. I hope you find Hope to find and search God again, I know that God will not forget you, thats the reason why we have love for one another.


Re: Why the bitterness?

I can't pray to God, because I don't believe in God. If I pretended to pray to God it would be a lie. I have tried to! The result was: I felt silly.

"I know that God will not forget you, thats the reason why we have love for one another"

People, like all higher animals, are capable of love due to our amazing biology, not due to God.

Saying God is the reason for love is a hurtful and untrue comment

And... why do you say "Why the bitterness?". The essay is a positive and practical one, I don't think it's bitter at all!

Hail Satan!

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Evil exists

(Anonymous)
God and Satan are the same.
Both represent evil in it's purest form.
Until we as a people, accept this, evil will prevail.
We must cast off this excuse for our own foul actions.
Gods and devils represent our own inadequacies. Once we
accept this, we stand a chance of achieving some form
of decency.
As long as God/Satan exists in our fantacies, we will
continue to excuse our own hatreds.
Lets kill this evil. NOW!
The future is ours.

Re: Evil exists

(Anonymous)
I have quoted your argument, then replied to each statement in bracketts ( like this)
Evil exists (Why? How? Origin?)
God and Satan are the same. (black is white, white is black?)(oh, and What God in particular?)
Both represent evil in it's purest form. (Though they oppose eachother and contradict eachother?)

Until we as a people, accept this, evil will prevail.

We must cast off this excuse for our own foul actions. (I don't use the existence of God as an excuse to perform evil, nor that of Satan.)
(Also, Define Evil. Where there is no opposites there is no contrast. If satan and umm... some god.. not sure which one... are both the same and represent evil, how can they be seperate entities? if there is no light, there is no dark. Also, what is defined as Good? Origin?)
Gods and devils represent our own inadequacies. ( now we have a plurality of entities that are in fact all the same, though this violates any religon that has any kind of dualistic basis, i.e. good vs evil,)

Once we accept this, we stand a chance of achieving some form
of decency. (how so? what outside influence will act on us to avoid the *evils* that come from a belief in *gods and devils*? Is it in us to find good? By who, or what's example?)

As long as God/Satan exists in our fantacies, we will
continue to excuse our own hatreds. (We now state that all these *entities* who's influence is the only means buy which we are led into evil are only fantacies, not real entities, how can they be so dangerous? What other fantacies must we also avoid? Or having, as you said, destroyed these *gods and devils*, we are now to take the responsability for our own actions, some of which must be inferred by your words, as unwanted, or *evils born from our own hearts and not from a *fantasy*, are we not still left with evil? So we get rid of *fantasies* that cause us to do evil, and now are left only with ourselves to blame and still possess the ability to perform evil acts.)

Lets kill this evil. NOW!
The future is ours. ( yes, you own your future, and all it's sins. removing *gods and devils* will not remove evil. Therefore, if evil resides and presides both in our imaginary beliefs in *God and Satan* and in ourselves after they are gone... the origin of evil is in fact US for it is we who do the believing, we who do the dreaming, we who own the fantasies and perform the actions, and must take responsability for them, If we are to *kill this evil, NOW!* then we must destroy ourselves to truly succeed. And isn't self preservation good and self destruction a greater evil then most? Your arguement leeds nowhere but back to the begining, back to you, and finally to a true Fantasticly Fatal form of intellectual suicide."

Go Back to the drawing board. Genesis chapter 1, and start again.

Ummm.... please read this......

(Anonymous)
A simple reduction to absurdium, a case of mental suicide and he even left a note behind for us to read. No attachment to any substantial or desirable philosophy other then a simple, *Oh hell with it, why waste a single iota of effort trying to investigate or substantiate the evidence for ANY religion, I would rather go mow the lawn."
If this is intended to make anyone think decisively and choose between *God or Satan* as the subject heading would have us believe, I think I will go have a long talk with my 2 year old son, as he may have a clearer picture of such a *pointless* topic.
If your going to establish anything that would make people decide to worship.... oh I forgot, satan doesn't want worship, or anything to do with us, hmmm... perhaps you see the absurdium? If he doesn't want us, what do we want him for? Let's use his *non-existence* to further the cause... and kill a few cats while we are at it.
My Advice; Continue to wallow in the greatness of your thoroughly conceived and excellently explained mental state of pre-death rigormortis, and you will indeed find out whether satan is, in fact real, and is, in fact, concerned about your welfare.
But I will save you the trouble of popping enough pills so your body is as dead as your intellect. The answer is; Yes, He does exist, and No, he has no concern for you.

Why am I writing this? Am i sooo impressed by my own faith system that i wander the nether regions of the internet to prose as a great wake up call to those who are asleep like unto death?
Probably. But then again, why shouldn't I? Is this rude? What right do i have to say these things? Why should you care what I think? Am i just a few words to laugh at? Most definately.
I am a Christian, and yet a realist. A Christian and yet not a pacifist. A Christian, and yet not some backwater baptist fanatic. I don't hate people, I hate seeing people disillusioned and deceived. I hate belief systems that have attached to them a one way ticket to hell.
I know My God, And He knows me, and is, In Fact, concerned about me. Read the Bible a little and you'll find out that Jesus used harsh words and harsh measures at times in order to WAKE THE DEAD. I have no hate. Believe what you will, but do so in a right mind and have SOME validation for your world views other then the absense of warm fuzzies or a lack or visual stimmulation.
Face The True God and be prepared.

And just go read John 3:16, most people know it.

God or Satan

(Anonymous)
Hi, im' not a satanist, nor am i wishing to become one. (I am in fact a shadow jedi of neither light nor dark) if you want a reason for me coming here then read on.
If you want to join Satan's army then be my guest, I did it, and i gained valuable knowledge into revenge, when you realise that Satan will never triumph over evil, but you don't want to go back to the light, join me as neither light nor darkness, nor both, nor neutral just be. If you know what i mean then join me Jin Katay, together we will balance our lives and the lives of those around us.

Re: God or Satan

(Anonymous)
yeh ur right. your statement made more sense in a way than any1 elses............the phrase " i just am" or "just be" is what everbody on this goddam planet should adopt, then every1 would accept eachother and there would be less war etc, thus getting rid of this so called satan. if ppl just accepted eachother then there would be less bullying in school, which would in turn stop the bullied subject growing into a psycho and eventually doing some of "satan"s work himself, if ya know what i mean. i go to church somtimes cos for some reason i get peace out of it, but i havnt yet been able to interpret this feeling of peace, and as far as i can see a lot of christians are very self-righteous ppl and segragate themselves from the outside world,believing they are better ppl. doing good things to some of them simply means earning brownie points from god. christians are basiccally taught to see themselves as different to other ppl, which at the end of the day, causes them to become a small tight-knit group and if u think about it, segregation is THE number one problem in the world today-- it leads to other "sins"...........see a pattern emerging here?

right........fuck god, fuck satan.......all you gotta do is look at all the heated discussions and wars the two bastards are causing us to have. we would be far better off without the both of them!
seriously, my point is that theres a measure of good and bad in all of us and ultimatly we are all one.when you think about it "god" and "satan" are both very primitive concepts of good and evil and belief in them is born out of a weak and narrow mind. most ppl feel the need to lable things and segregate them, and segragation is THE number one problem in the world today,and this is what religious ppl do......they conform to their oh so high and mighty religion and see themselves as "holier" than most other ppl. comformity is what causes wars, bullying, etc, and when ppl are bullied at a young age there is a danger that they will grow into social misfits and pyschopaths and do much of the so called "devil"s work themselves! we are all one. we are all special in our own way and all this world needs is ACCEPTANCE. we need to find a balance within ourselves, accept ourselves totally, then we will accept eachother and then slowly a new seed will grow, then the world would slowly heal, wars would cease and we could slowly start living in harmony.........but sadly this will probably never be. but shutting the fuck up about god and satan would be a start, dont you reckon?

god is good

(Anonymous)
dont knock GOD, He helped me through my life my dad is satanic and he tryed to kill me ,he raped me...
is this what you's do

Re: god is good

(Anonymous)
YES!!!! i agree i was too raped as a small child..so far in my life ive had ppl dying ive been tying to die so many times....*sarcasm* thanx god thank you for all the gifts you have brought us...i feel your pain...

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Enjoyable

(Anonymous)
Actually, if I could give you two thumbs up I would. that was enjoyable and accurate to say the least. The lady at the unemployment office said the same thing to me...

Thanks for the humor.
Beth

butterflies and tsunamis

(Anonymous)
A butterfly flaps its wings om a grassy plain in Mexico.Small currents of air are generated and gradually amplified. The amplification increase and become wind. The amplification continues to intensify as the wind travels across oceans and mountains, country to country, further and further, ultimately causing a tsunami in Japan.

THE CHAOS THEORY.

Hi,Vexen. I am Vernace. now reading on Chaos Theory~ hope you can check this theory out. It is pretty interesting.

Re: butterflies and tsunamis

Yeah, Chaos theory is fun, and the Butterfly flapping it's wings causing a tsunami in Japan is one the classic descriptions of the nature of the theory.

???

(Anonymous)
Yer messed up... seek help.

???

(Anonymous)
Hi, remember me, Solmarie???? You didn't answer my last email. I have a question, did you write God or satan essay??? If you did, I doubt you were a christian. A true christian doesn't change to another religion like you did. ANd why do satanists keep saying that satan as an entity doesn't exist? As God is real, so satan is. Satanists deny satan existence because they want people to fall in that lie. satanists feel envy against christians. The christianity I know, the Jesus I know is not another religion, is not religion at all. Is real joy and happiness, is real peace, comfort and life. We do not have to hide under a mask to say what we believe. We are not ashame of the name of Jesus. satanists are cowards, they hide themselves, they don't feel free to tell the world "hey, I'm a satanist" We are proud of what we are. I don't know the christianity you knew, probably human doctrines. True christians follow Jesus and they are not attach to human teachings and doctrines. satanism is like a big circus, fill with poor freaks, satan's muppets. We worship God because He is Good, He is Love and He gives us what we need. I keep praying for you so one day you can open your eyes and see the lie you are living. And also that you can know that Jesus died on a cross for you, shed His blood for you, loves you and is alive. satan is a fool,satanism is a weak imitation of christianity, they are not even original ( making a satanic bible, ssatanic church etc etc) those things are all imitations of the real good and original thing: Jesus and christianity. I will always pray for you................................your FRIEND... Solmarie
Hey, send me emails, don't forget about me

Re: ???

(Anonymous)
Hi, remember me, Solmarie???? You didn't answer my last email. I have a question, did you write God or satan essay??? If you did, I doubt you were a christian. A true christian doesn't change to another religion like you did.

What do you define by a "true christian"? P.S. Ad hominem.

ANd why do satanists keep saying that satan as an entity doesn't exist? As God is real, so satan is.

Well he doesn't believe that so u should PROVE it.

Satanists deny satan existence because they want people to fall in that lie.

prove it.

satanists feel envy against christians.

Ad hominem.

The christianity I know, the Jesus I know is not another religion, is not religion at all. Is real joy and happiness, is real peace, comfort and life. We do not have to hide under a mask to say what we believe.

Ad hominem.

We are not ashame of the name of Jesus. satanists are cowards, they hide themselves, they don't feel free to tell the world "hey, I'm a satanist"

Ad hominem.

We are proud of what we are. I don't know the christianity you knew, probably human doctrines.

Ad hominem.

True christians follow Jesus and they are not attach to human teachings and doctrines. satanism is like a big circus, fill with poor freaks, satan's muppets.

Ad hominem.

We worship God because He is Good, He is Love and He gives us what we need.

PROVE IT!!!

I keep praying for you so one day you can open your eyes and see the lie you are living. And also that you can know that Jesus died on a cross for you, shed His blood for you, loves you and is alive.

PROVE IT!!!

satan is a fool,satanism is a weak imitation of christianity, they are not even original ( making a satanic bible, ssatanic church etc etc)

So what? Christianity wasn't original either. (Ever hear of Judaism?)

those things are all imitations of the real good and original thing: Jesus and christianity. I will always pray for you................................your FRIEND... Solmarie
Hey, send me emails, don't forget about me

How we should busy our minds.

(Anonymous)
Can i just ask the question that so many people have avoided...why argue if you will never agree? I know that comes accross as a slightly defeatist point of view, but religious debates and arguements have caused so many devastating disputes and even all out war! What is missing from the mind of those who argue, is acceptance of others ways of thinking. This is the root cause of all evil(yes, it exists). When we cannot accept something, no matter how small or insignificant, we cannot live in harmony with ourselves or with others. This leads to hate, racism, facism etc. In future, instead of argueing and forcing our point of view on others, we should merely state our opinions and be willing to be wrong. When one takes into account the issues that we are argueing have so little evidence (the existence of god etc) to back them up, the very fact we are argueing over them is a watse of our time and effort. Just feel what you feel, think what you think, and live your own life.
p.s yo vexen dude, doesnt all that satan shit put girls offa you? or do you get those hella hot goth chix, GRRRRRR.

The conflict...

(Anonymous)
The conflict between religion and rational thought is concealed from children from the very beginning via an appeal to authority. This appeal to authority works, for some time, until the child begins to question the world around him. Why not save him the trouble, hardship and conflict by warning him about religion by teaching him that he should think rationally from the very beginning?

The wholesale rejection of organized religions in favor of creating one's own self-indulgent religion is not a valid spiritual search. But looking beyond the dogma and creeds in order to see the underlying spiritual message of each religion is a valid technique. For each religion of the world began as a revelation or spiritual enlightenment to the founders of that faith. It was only their later followers who built the dogma and institutions that caused separation and antagonism between religions and cultures.

Some of it (this subject) is about pondering over the fact that we're actually going to die. We're born into this world and we don't have a clue what it's about, no one does, really. Does the answer come clear when you die, or is that when you just go into a blackness? When you die, you don't know if your psyche goes back to being nothing or if nothing is the state that everything is in.


Here's some interesting reads

(Anonymous)
No army has ever marched off to war in the name of the Devil.-
http://www.truthbeknown.com/devil.htm

Did God Ordain The Holocaust?-
http://deoxy.org/godholoc.htm

Much more here http://deoxy.org/tcrime.htm and here http://deoxy.org/deoxy.htm
- Exo-psychology suggests that there are as many realities as there are neuro-anatomical structures for transceiving signals.

Be sure to check this out

(Anonymous)
BEWARE OF MONOTHEISM
http://deoxy.org/bom.htm

I don't know you, yet I think I love you.