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Vexen Crabtree 2015

God or Satan?

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Nothing much,

Hey Paul,
I just read your page "God or Satan"
you make some really interesting points, mostly about missconceptions that are present in today's society , its cool to see that. I don't want to bore you or waste your time but I was curious about some of your statements, for instance
you said "I know now there is no God" -see I don't understand this because in the difficulty a christian has in proving God,it is the same as A satanist, or marxist or existencialist will have in dissproving him. I mean can we really say "it is absolutely true that there is know God" I mean what about all the people who have a little bit of an intelligent mind and require absolute proof? I dont know I just think its as hard to dissprove it as it is to prove it,
See I was trying to be sneaky a bit in my oppening statement because the missconceptions that you have about today are people's views of christianity, for example; all the stuff you said about people having to go towards god acting like a worm and begging his forgiveness, all that is not in the Bible, Paul in romans says to "approach the throne with boldness" boldness because of what Jesuus, did. I understand your desire to be free but I don't think that will come within the freedom satan would offer. Jesus did a unique thing different from all other religions, through the cross anyone who recieves that gift of forgiveness, is spiritualy perfected at the beginning of their relation ship with him. meaning you start your journey perfected, and righteous in gods eyes because god appeased himself with Jesus' sacrafice, So there is no grovelling before the throne, we now because of Jesus can go up to God like a baby into his fathers arms. the coolest thing being that no matter how much you screw up he'll never get mad or change his love or acceptance of you, you'll always be saved, anyways , i 'm sorry to take your time,
oh by the way my name is Ian
if u want e-mail me back at

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god or satan

well i commpletly understand...i tried to fall back on religion and wasted my time got me no where. no place....i dont want some nice calm prick taht is gonna give me my answers. i do not want to rely on anyone ar anything...its fucking stupid...i want someone to tell me "i am not helping you if you want it you do it."

satan or god

well all this god shit is stupid...what is he gonna do about anything? not a damned effing thing thats for sure... all i rely on is myself, noone else and especially not some guy that is givu=ing me rules on how to live my damn life.... i a want some one to say...fuck you im not gonna help you. what the hell am i gonna get out of this anyway?...thats basically incouragement if you look at it from my perspective. i dont do anything at all except talk to ppl about what i feel when they ask and write my life away...its inevitable everything dies anyways so why even try to stop it? look at it as a new journey. if anyone wants to talk to me...or if you want to email me id be fucking happy!! my email


ok, i dont understand how anyone could believe that satan is our God, only Jesus and God are the only ones we should worship, and i hope u all undestand, if u think God hasnt done anything in your life...then maybe thats becuz u dont believe in him, huh...if u give praise to him, he will show u a great life...if u think im lying maybe you should try it...maybe a few prayers here or there and maybe try a church, maybe talk to a paster or a preist or a bishop about your problems....they will help u..i can promise that~


Apparently you havent read shit. Did you see the word satan and decid that you would be jesuss little worrior. I pray to god for you demise lol


I am interested in the possibilities satanism may provide w.r.t hedonism. However i find some of the arguments presented in various internet pages discouraging. i know i'm naieve about these things.
e.g Christians will turn the other cheek: surely mass warfare and the design and implementation of sophisticated weapons of destruction (i.e nuclear, chemical, biological) which can be used by theastic peoples in good conscious would negate this argument. Are not the monotheastic religions an excellent example of destroying people who have "annoyed" you in your lair.
e.g. The main religions require you to lick the arse of god while asking for for favours. Surely "God" is the creator of infinite Sun's, has given us the "freewill" for infinite torture's and unasked for miseries. I have agreed/support the Irish Republican arguments for years. A particular group the INLA has used retribution methods which are in line with your doctrines since its' inception. Many of these people are agnostic, communist,& baptised catholic(although like myself non-believers).
e.g. Freewill & Sex, if were lucky were all at it and feeling good.
e.g Death is a victory for satanism(possibly over god) death drives evolution, with limited resources (on earth) death is absolutely necessary, death is overblown because of human(& elephant") reaction to it, we are animals.

This is not an attack on satanism. I'm an out an out hedonist (with all (hopefully) it entails. A qualified Marine Bioligst. Not an outsider or inferior (looking for something to readdress the balance) in social circumstances. From what i can see all the pure practising people in your beliefs are non satanists, are you sweeping up the debris?
This is a genuine enquiry, have no axe to grind & would genuinely love to be enlightened (lucifer?).

Please, dont be a satanist.

Anyone who has lost faith in God must have had something really bad happen. I never used to be religious, you know, I prayed to God now and then and was a nice person but that was it. I was baptised Catholic. Then I hit high school, got bullied severely by everyone. I was constantly bashed, spat on, made fun of, humiliated and teased. I made the choice then to become a christian. It seemed I had no one to turn to, so I tried God. In the start of the next year I was told we were moving far, far away (four hours) from my school so I would be attending a small christian college. It has opened up my eyes to God even more and made me realise I have been saved. Although I feel I have already been saved from hell (my old school). As a 13 year old I made my own choice to become a christian and I have never looked back or regretted it. My philosiphy on christianity is this: I'm not sure what God is or if he exists for sure but one thing I know is that believing in him makes us better people. Please consider this before you waste your life on satanism. You may think us christians are bible-bashers and so on, so forth but that's just not true. All the kids at our school all have more fun than at any other school. So in conclusion I leave you with this: Commit yourself to God and pray to him and watch things grow in your life.

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Don't forget I live in a non-religious country, UK, and I hardly actually know many people who were brought up to believe in God. It's not true, therefore, that "something bad" had to happen to "make" me stop believing... it's the other way round... somethings HAS to happen to make me believe something... I don't take beliefs, or truth, lightly and consider them to be sacrosanct... therefore my beliefs are grounded firmly in common sense, intelligence and a continual effort to understand truth.

Contribute to my effort and perhaps put forward an argument as to why you think god(s) exist... otherwise, you're rhetoric has been a waste of time.


I have a question, where you a christian? If so, what made you change your mind about God?

I was never a Christian, I was raised with no religious beliefs in a country with very few religious beliefs. Therefore my Satanism is not a reaction against any particular religion; but merely (for me) an exercise in self-development and sociology.

Why I am a Satanist?

Religion in Britain:

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They Can Both Go To Hell

I never quite thought of it like that. Good one! An illustration that will come in handy! Thanks Vexen.

There are things much greater than 'they'.

ps - I tried the URL, but got this garbage:


In order to recieve help, 1st one must be able to help themself. Things don't magically appear if you can't help yourself.

Its all just a bad dream....

God is a fassad put on by people thousands of years ago because they thought we needed a "push" to act a cirtain way...kind of like santa (if your are not good you will recieve no gifts). This idea is really not a bad one, I see it work in small children all the time and it would work for everyone if they could take somthing for what it is and not tediously break it down and fuck it up. I see the writing of the bible as a few guys sitting around in a living room stoned off their asses thinking of ways to make the world a "better place". How does anyone have the right to say god or satan or budah or any other god is correct, if a satanist wants to be happy but not have a blindfold on to deter him from being happy why does he walk around looking like a twat where he will only be detered that way. Mabe Deicide (the best death metal band of all time) says it best Free of their god, intelligence won Go with your instinct to live as you want No longer begging for mercy from thieves They can't come near you, through them you can see Keep to the outside the teachings of christ Denounce the father, undo his disguise Meaning why let a god that no one can rule the way you think, and keep you from doing pleasurable the bible, its a giant book telling you that you are wrong for thinking somting is good. Im not in any way homo sexual nor have i ever felt any emotions for a male. BUT, who is god to say some one is wrong for feeling a feeling that HE puts into your mind. I said this to a very devout christian once and he replied, "its gods test my son". Well you know what, i cant make my self believe in a fictional "boogey man" nor a total punk that only wants pain for those who seek him out. Why try to find the correct god...its a game of gambling, there are hundreds of religions that all say, you will recieve the ultimate punishment if you do not choose me. I say skrew religion and try to live you life as what you know is a good set of morals, its called a conscious and the reason religion was "thought up" was because people are ass holes who only think of them selves so some one made this bright idea up which has only lead to death, misery, war, and the genocide of races, mabe all of them....

Re: Its all just a bad dream....

Prove it!
If you're trying to "work things out" with your literal-thinking brain < That can't nearly have as much knowledge as God almighty I don't want to hear it!
I want some facts and actual research done!
If I decide one day that the sky is yellow, does that make it yellow?? < You answer that question!

Choose God or satan


Pray to God or Satan, nah jus pick up the paper!!!

Thank you!

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for once of all how good became bad its A fact of truth reality
fits in with fate but hope theres no such thing as fate.......
this story defines human nature...
At the beginning gods best and finest angel was glucifer the lord
favoured as one of his best creatures and trusted in him.
one day glucifer asked god if he could have the same power as he
and share the rule of almightyness in his will...with no answer
glucifer was gealious and new the answer was no.So he wanted to be
worshiped and control everything but in his ways he was smart and wise
for the hate grew worser after god wouldnt pay attention to him no more
because god can see past and future and new who he will become of...
with time going by glucifer had spoken of A better universe and better
heavens of all kind instead of one great one as thee,he said everyone
would be worshipped as gods and no laws like the ten commandments will
be made. so after glucifer currupted heaven and poisioned angels minds
with tempt and filth st. micheal and the top arch angels fought A war and
forced satan out of heaven than the lord punished him with A beastly
figure instead of A beautiful made angel he was cursed of uglyness forever
than tossed in the lake of fire to continue his fall in the bottomless pit
him and A third of the angels in heaven fell down to the horrible torment
of ever lasting furnace of fire...A third of millions and millions of
angels were tempted by the devil and only very much but not as many kept
the side of the truth, satan was prisioned for 1000 years of being trapped
until he is lose again.god new glucifer was going to be evil and let some
follow his dark way and said they'll be destroyed why did'nt he do it then?
to set A example for the remaining angels left,if he deleted them then it
would show that he wants all to love and respect him or else...but no god
wants to show he loves all no matter what...thats why he let the devil and
his serpents be free but not intirely 1000 years is already here and means
evil will take see god did'nt destroy satan yet because
glucifer in the beginning wanted to make A better universe and live A life
without boundaries so god let him to show the other angels A example of
what happens when someone ettempts to be better than him tests him to be
the same as actual god himself...and just look at the results....
our everday life carjackings,muggings,aids,murder,suicide,abortion,and war.
are just satans results of his change and turned worse satans hate for
god is deep as the sea...his cold blackened heart isnt A heart at all...
so you tell me what side im on the truths side....
the devil wants you to either believe other gods or dont believe in A god
at all so that when the days of christ are near and events of apaculypse
take place it will be easier for him to trick many in following him
to eternal death....for those with faith you dont have to go to churchevery
day but believe in him and pray to the lord you will recieve eternallife...
dont be tricked by the trickster he shows no mercy and theres no
participation by his side........are you afraid to die....
or do you want to live forever........

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wow you really are a satanist arent you never knew that there were so many people that hated GOD Im surprized by this but not really. Satan is taking control of weak peoples souls. i do feel kind of bad for you , i mean ur all going to burn eternally in hell but hey you deserve it.anyway ya i just wanted to tell all of you people the truth so there it is and theres nothing you can do about it except repent and pray GOD takes you back because you are definitely not worthy of him.
thank you,
fulled fledged christian for life

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Dude the guy who wrote this has a small faith. Nobody deserves to be saved, we're saved by grace.

Why r u a killer?

Hey its joanne duncan here,im jst writing to ask you why the hell are you such a killer?R u infact the real satan?something inside makes me believe u r..i feel a burning sensation from inside at the sound of ur name!!!! i to am a satan believe believe with me???? to contact me please e-mail

You wrote this in 2005.I hope you are still alive to read this if the devil haven't sucked the life out of you - you see that's what he does, he steals, kills and destroys.

I will be praying for you that you would know the truth and be set free from the lies and bondage of your current existence.

May the love and warmth of God fill your heart everytime you read this.

He loves you, you know.

God loves you, and there is a God. He created Satan, and there is a Satan.
God wants to help you, but first you have to give your whole life to him. Then, everything else will seem like nothing. Your job will blossom, just like everything will.


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